Does Positive Curvature Dominate FRW Cosmological Models in Inflation Theory?

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The discussion revolves around the role of positive curvature in Friedmann-Robertson-Walker (FRW) cosmological models within the context of inflation theory. Participants explore the implications of different spatial curvatures—positive, flat, and negative—on the evolution of the universe, particularly during the inflationary epoch. The conversation touches on theoretical predictions, the necessity of inflation, and the conditions of the universe prior to inflation.

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  • Some participants argue that positive curvature in FRW models leads to finite space, which may be crucial for inflation to flatten the universe, while others contend that inflation can also affect open (negative curvature) universes.
  • There are discussions about the role of the curvature parameter and its evolution during inflation, with some participants providing equations to illustrate how inflation can drive curvature towards flatness.
  • Questions arise regarding the necessity of inflation if the universe starts flat, with some suggesting that inflation is needed to address the horizon problem, allowing different regions of the universe to reach thermal equilibrium.
  • Participants express uncertainty about the spatial curvature of the universe before inflation, noting that theoretical predictions are model-dependent and that the early curvature could vary significantly.
  • Some models propose that the universe could begin with a curvature of order 1, which inflation would dilute, while others suggest that many models assume a flat starting condition.
  • The nature of the universe in the pre-inflationary epoch is debated, with references to models that suggest the universe could emerge from a state of 'nothing' or be dominated by radiation, but the specifics remain unclear.

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Participants express multiple competing views regarding the role of curvature in inflationary models and the conditions of the universe prior to inflation. There is no consensus on the necessity of inflation for flat universes or the exact nature of pre-inflationary conditions.

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Limitations include the dependence on specific models and assumptions regarding energy density in the early universe, as well as the unresolved nature of the universe's state before inflation began.

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The FRW solutions are the basis of the current LCDM cosmological model. They include three possible spatial curvatures, positive, flat and negative. The last two possibilities imply infinite extension for any t>0, while positive curvature would give finite space for finite time by definition.
Would these considerations lead to conclude that only the positive curvature case of the FRW cosmological model is used in the current inflationary LCDM cosmology? I mention it because it seems that only the topologically compact case with positive curvature is susceptible to be flattened by inflation, the flat case isn't for obvious reasons and the negative curvature because being infinite for any t>0 cannot be flattened any further by exponential inflation and in any case its original curvature should have been as small as the current measures error bars allow which is quite small.
 
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because being infinite for any t>0 cannot be flattened any further by exponential inflation

This is not true. Inflation can still suppress the curvature of a hyperbolic space. In the case of no curvature, space is already flat and will be so also after inflation.
 
Adding to what Oroduin wrote:

Inflation does (spatially) flatten open universes.

Let ##\Omega## be density with respect to critical density, so ##\Omega = 1## if the universe is spatially flat. If ##\Omega_r## is the density of radiation, ##\Omega_m## is the density of matter, and ##\Omega_\Lambda## is the density of the cosmology constant term, then

$$\Omega = \Omega_r + \Omega_m + \Omega_\Lambda,$$
and ##\Omega = 1## if the universe is spatially flat.

Define the curvature parameter ##\Omega_k## by

$$\Omega_k = 1 - \Omega = 1 - \left( \Omega_r + \Omega_m + \Omega_\Lambda \right),$$
so that ##\Omega_k = 0## when the universe is spatially flat.

Suppose the universe is not spatially flat, so ##\Omega_k \ne 0##. The equation of evolution for the curvature parameter is

$$\frac{\Omega_k}{dt} = \Omega_k H \left( \Omega_m -2\Omega_r - 2\Omega_\Lambda \right).$$
During inflation, ##\Omega_\Lambda## dominates and ##H## and ##\Omega_\Lambda## are both (essentially) constant, so that

$$\frac{\Omega_k}{dt} = -2\Omega_k H \Omega_\Lambda,$$
which drives ##\Omega_k## towards zero, i.e., towards spatial flatness.
 
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Yes, that's right. It's no use trying to visualize the curvature evolution of an Infinite hypersurface, it leads one to misleading conclusions.
So in the case that's flat to start with, what would one need inflation for? And if so why not pick it as the general case and even bother with inflation at all?
 
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Yes, that's right. It's no use trying to visualize the curvature evolution of an Infinite hypersurface, it leads one to misleading conclusions.
So in the case that's flat to start with, what would one need inflation for? And if so why not pick it as the general case and even bother with inflation at all?
There's still the horizon problem. If you don't have inflation, then spots on the sky more than about a degree apart or so would never have been in causal contact before the CMB was emitted. How did the CMB know to be the same temperature if different parts of the sky could never possibly have any causal links between them?

Inflation, by modifying the expansion history of the very early universe, gives everything in the observable universe more than enough time to come to equilibrium before inflation ends.
 
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So in the case that's flat to start with, what would one need inflation for? And if so why not pick it as the general case and even bother with inflation at all?
That's like coming upon a pencil standing perfectly on its tip and not seeking an explanation for it. One can propose that the pencil just started out that way, but this would certainly be considered a very special rather than "general case".
 
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It seems there are no theoretical predictions regarding the spatial curvature of the universe before it underwent inflation. What would determine the curvature in this pre-inflationary era? The comparison of actual and critical energy density as the FRW model tells? However is this model applicable at all before negative pressure starts to play its role?
 
timmdeeg said:
It seems there are no theoretical predictions regarding the spatial curvature of the universe before it underwent inflation. What would determine the curvature in this pre-inflationary era? The comparison of actual and critical energy density as the FRW model tells? However is this model applicable at all before negative pressure starts to play its role?
Yes, the early curvature depends on the density ratio if we extrapolate the FRW solution back to pre-inflationary times. While we currently have no observational data from the pre-inflationary epoch, FRW should be applicable because the initial inflationary patch needed to be sufficiently isotopric to support inflation.
 
timmdeeg said:
It seems there are no theoretical predictions regarding the spatial curvature of the universe before it underwent inflation.
That's not entirely true. The amount of spatial curvature when inflation began is model-dependent. The most naive estimate would suggest that the curvature should be of order 1, which inflation would then rapidly dilute away to flatness. In some rather simple models, however, it is expected that the universe would start out flat (that is, most of the universes in the ensemble from the model are flat).
 
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Thank you, bapowell and Chalnoth.

Chalnoth said:
That's not entirely true. The amount of spatial curvature when inflation began is model-dependent. The most naive estimate would suggest that the curvature should be of order 1, which inflation would then rapidly dilute away to flatness. In some rather simple models, however, it is expected that the universe would start out flat (that is, most of the universes in the ensemble from the model are flat).
Hmm, interesting. So, it seems that these models are based on certain assumptions regarding the energy density at that times. Naively thinking I would expect dominating attractive gravity (k=1 model) and dominating repelling gravity resp. (flat model). However out of what does the universe consist in the pre-inflationary epoch? Presumably there exists neither (not yet) a cosmological constant nor matter/radiation.
 
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timmdeeg said:
However out of what does the universe consist in the pre-inflationary epoch? Presumably there exists neither (not yet) a cosmological constant nor matter/radiation.
That really depends. There are models related to the Hawking no boundary proposal in which the universe pops from nothing into existence in an inflationary state (Alex Vilenkin did much early work on this idea in the 80's). There are also models where the inflaton is simply another quantum field (along with the Higgses, matter fields, etc) that comes to dominate the energy density at some time, kicking off the inflationary expansion. Prior to this, you presumably have radiation dominated expansion just like the classical big bang cosmology, though it is unclear whether the universe would be in thermal equilibrium at this time (that's an important question that has implications for how inflation might get underway).
 
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Thanks for this helpful comment. From this it seems a rather challenging job to select the true model.
 
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timmdeeg said:
Thanks for this helpful comment. From this it seems a rather challenging job to select the true model.
Yes. Very. So much so that it's very possible that we may never know the correct model.
 

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