What Explains the Variation in Gamma-Ray Burst Spectral Time Lags?

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The discussion revolves around the variation in spectral time lags observed in gamma-ray bursts (GRBs) and their implications for existing theories of relativity. Participants explore the relationship between these time lags, energy differences, and the potential to determine distances to GRBs without red-shift measurements. The conversation touches on the validity of special relativity (STR) and its extended theories (ET), as well as the implications for general relativity (GTR).

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants note that spectral time lags in GRBs appear to vary with energy and distance, suggesting a potential method for measuring distances without red-shift.
  • There is a claim that these observations contradict special relativity, leading to discussions about the validity of STR and the possibility of extended theories that could accommodate these findings.
  • One participant questions whether violations of STR necessarily imply violations of GTR, suggesting that simplifications in modeling may have been made.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the new theory, stating that further evidence and replication of data are necessary before acceptance.
  • Concerns are raised about ruling out alternative explanations, such as properties of the interstellar medium, before fully endorsing the new theory.
  • A mention of speculation regarding faster-than-light phenomena is introduced, indicating a broader range of ideas being considered.

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Participants express differing views on the implications of the observed time lags for established theories of relativity. There is no consensus on whether the new theory is valid or if alternative explanations should be prioritized.

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Participants highlight the need for replication of experimental data and the importance of ruling out other explanations, indicating that the discussion is contingent on further empirical validation.

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http://arxiv.org/abs/astro-ph/0508294

Authors: Theodore G. Pavlopoulos
Comments: 9 pages, no figures

From recent observations of gamma-ray bursts (GRBs), it appears that spectral time lags between higher-energy gamma rays photons and lower-energy photons vary with energy difference and time (distance) traveled. These lags appear to be smaller for the most luminous (close) bursts but larger for the fainter (farther away) bursts. From this observation, it has been suggested that it might be possible to determine the distance (L) these bursts have traveled from these time lags alone, without performing any red-shift measurements. These observed spreads (dispersion) of high-energy electromagnetic pulses of different energies with time contradict the special theory of relativity (STR). However, extended theories (ET) of the STR have been developed that contain a dispersive term, predicting the above observations. An example of such an ET is presented, allowing us to derive a relationship between time lags of gamma rays of different energies and distance L traveled from their origin. In addition, this theory predicts the origin of X-ray flashes
 
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Of course it does! Every physical theory can be improved because we can never know everything! Relativity, like any theory, can always be improved.
 
HallsofIvy said:
Of course it does! Every physical theory can be improved because we can never know everything! Relativity, like any theory, can always be improved.

May be i should ask, are these observations reason enough ? and if they can be
falsified ?
 
If they violate STR, then do they necesarily violate GTR? Or is it more along the lines of, "we had to simplify the model, so we assumed STR is a valid description of the universe"? (Perhaps locally?)
 
If the findings reported are correct, then some thing else must be wrong.
 
how about joao's faster than light speculation?
gurkha
 
wolram said:
May be i should ask, are these observations reason enough ? and if they can be
falsified ?

I'd need a couple more things to happen before I could believe in the new theory.

1) The data that produced it would have to be replicated by another experimenter.

2) Other explanations (properties of the interstellar media, for instance) would have to be ruled out. If the new theory could make some other predictions that that could be experimentally confirmed, that would be fairly convincing.
 

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