Does the electron field carry information about its charge

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The discussion revolves around whether the electron field carries information about its charge throughout space, exploring concepts related to charge interaction, renormalization, and theoretical implications in quantum field theory (QFT).

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  • One participant questions if the electron field has information about its charge strength throughout space and seeks clarification on the implications of this.
  • Another participant interprets the question as whether charged particles can "know" the electron's charge, asserting that they interact electromagnetically.
  • A different participant discusses the concept of renormalization, mentioning the virtual cloud of electron-positron pairs and their screening effect on charge strength, while noting that virtual particles are a heuristic fiction.
  • This participant also introduces the concept of the Landau pole, explaining its significance in QFT and how it relates to the limitations of quantum electrodynamics (QED) and the electro-weak theory.
  • Another participant brings up the Ward-Takahashi identity, linking it to charge renormalization and the implications for the relationship between different particle charges, such as quarks and electrons.

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Participants express varying interpretations of the original question and introduce different theoretical concepts, indicating that multiple competing views remain without a consensus on the core issue.

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The discussion includes references to complex theoretical constructs such as renormalization, the Landau pole, and the Ward-Takahashi identity, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully resolved in the conversation.

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Does the electron field has information about its charge(strength) throughout space and if not why not?
I hope this question is not vague.
 
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Do you mean: can a proton or other charged particle know the electron's charge? Yes. They interact electromagnetically. I hope I am not interpreting your question too simplistically.
 
Yes.

But it's tied up with renormalisation.

Heuristically the virtual cloud of electron and positrons around the electron exert a screening effect meaning the closer you get the stronger the charge. Note this is just heuristically - virtual particles actually do not exit - but is a fiction told to beginners so they have a bit of a grasp about what's going on.

In fact its part of the infinities that plague QFT that re-normalization is required to fix (using the usual methods anyway - it can be done without this issue but that as whole new thread).

If we get too close it becomes infinite leading to the so called Landau pole:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landau_pole

This is a big problem - or would be except long before the Landau pole is reached QED is replaced by the electro-weak theory.

Interestingly I believe the electro-weak theory has its own Landau pole and how that is resolved someone did explain to me once, but my knowledge wasn't good enough, at least at the time, to understand it. My memory is it had something to do with the Higgs, but don't hold me to it. Also computer calculations show it may not actually exist - but again an expert with greater knowledge than me is needed.

Oh - I forgot to mention if the electro-weak Landau pole does exist and/or is an actual problem it's way below the Plank scale where we know our physics breaks down anyway.

Thanks
Bill
 
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I think they key idea in this is the Ward-Takahashi identity. For correlation functions, this comes as consequence of the invariance of the functional measure of the path integral under gauge transformations. The Ward-Takahashi identity is basically quantum version of the classical Noether's theorem with a current, but now you also have contact terms.

In the context of renormalization, one direct consequence is the equality Z_{1}=Z_{2}: charge renormalization comes entirely from the photon field renormalization and the charge current is NOT renormalized. Additionally, this implies that the ratio of the charges of a quark and an electron for example are not renormalized.
 

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