Does the Laplace operator equal the Del operator squared?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between the Laplace operator and the Del operator, specifically whether the Laplace operator can be expressed as the Del operator squared. Participants explore the definitions and derivations of these operators, as well as their implications in different coordinate systems. The conversation also touches on a specific equation involving fields and constants, seeking methods for its solution.

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  • Some participants assert that the Laplace operator, denoted as ##\Delta##, can be expressed as ##\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla}##, suggesting this is a derived relationship rather than a mere notational convention.
  • One participant emphasizes that the derivation of this relationship is independent of the chosen basis and coordinate system, highlighting the flexibility of using Cartesian coordinates for simplicity.
  • Another participant provides a detailed derivation of the relationship, showing how the gradient of a scalar field leads to the conclusion that ##\Delta \Phi = \vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi##.
  • A later reply requests clarification on a specific equation involving fields and constants, indicating a desire to understand how to solve for ##\sigma## in terms of ##h##.

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Participants generally agree on the mathematical relationship between the Laplace operator and the Del operator, but the discussion remains open regarding the implications and applications of this relationship, particularly in the context of the specific equation introduced.

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The discussion includes complex derivations that depend on the definitions of the operators and the coordinate systems used. Some assumptions about the nature of the fields and constants in the later equation remain unspecified.

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Dose Laplace operator ##\Delta## equal nabla operator squared ## \bigtriangledown^2## ?
Hello ,

The Laplace operator equals

## \Delta = \frac{\partial^2}{\partial x^2} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial y^2} + \frac{\partial^2}{\partial z^2} ##

so does it equal as well nable or Del operator squared ## \bigtriangledown^2## ?

where

## \bigtriangledown =\frac{\partial}{\partial x} { \bf x} + \frac{\partial}{\partial y} { \bf y} + \frac{\partial}{\partial z } { \bf z}
##

Edit:

Now about this equation## \Delta \sigma + \frac{1}{2} \partial_\mu \sigma \partial^\mu \sigma = \frac{3}{2} e^{-2\sigma} \partial_\mu h \partial^\mu h ##

where ##\sigma## and ##h## are fields, and m and n are constants. I wonder how this equation to be solved to give ##\sigma = m ~ln h## as given by equations : (21), (23) in Paper
 
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\Delta = \vec{\nabla}\cdot \vec{\nabla} is a notational convention
 
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Indeed ##\Delta=\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla}##. It's not a convention but can be derived from the meaning of the operators, which is independent on the chosen basis and coordinate system, because it is a vector operator. The nice thing of this fact is that you can always use the most convenient basis for your problem. For general properties of the various differential operators Cartesian coordinates are the most simple ones. So let ##\vec{e}_k## (##k \in \{1,2,3 \}##) be a right-handed Cartesian basis, for which ##\vec{e}_k=\text{const}## and ##\vec{e}_1 \times \vec{e}_2=\vec{e}_3##.

Then the gradient of a scalar field is defined by
$$\vec{\nabla} \Phi=\vec{e}_k \partial_k \Phi,$$
where you have to some over ##k=1 \ldots 3## (Einstein summation convention). This is a vector field expressed with help of the Cartesian basis and its components wrt. this basis.

Now it is immediately clear that by taking the formal scalar product of ##\vec{\nabla}=\vec{e}_k \partial_k## with this vector field you get another scalar field,
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi = (\vec{e}_j \partial_j) \cdot (\vec{e}_k \partial_k \Phi) = (\vec{e}_j \cdot \vec{e}_k) \partial_j \partial_k \Phi = \delta_{jk} \partial_j \partial_k \Phi,$$
where
$$\delta_{jk}=\begin{cases} 1 & \text{for} \quad j=k, \\ 0 & \text{for} \quad j \neq k. \end{cases}$$
So finally you get
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi = \partial_j \partial_j \Phi = (\partial_1^2 + \partial_2^2 + \partial_3^2) \Phi=\Delta \Phi.$$
 
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vanhees71 said:
Indeed ##\Delta=\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla}##. It's not a convention but can be derived from the meaning of the operators, which is independent on the chosen basis and coordinate system, because it is a vector operator. The nice thing of this fact is that you can always use the most convenient basis for your problem. For general properties of the various differential operators Cartesian coordinates are the most simple ones. So let ##\vec{e}_k## (##k \in \{1,2,3 \}##) be a right-handed Cartesian basis, for which ##\vec{e}_k=\text{const}## and ##\vec{e}_1 \times \vec{e}_2=\vec{e}_3##.

Then the gradient of a scalar field is defined by
$$\vec{\nabla} \Phi=\vec{e}_k \partial_k \Phi,$$
where you have to some over ##k=1 \ldots 3## (Einstein summation convention). This is a vector field expressed with help of the Cartesian basis and its components wrt. this basis.

Now it is immediately clear that by taking the formal scalar product of ##\vec{\nabla}=\vec{e}_k \partial_k## with this vector field you get another scalar field,
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi = (\vec{e}_j \partial_j) \cdot (\vec{e}_k \partial_k \Phi) = (\vec{e}_j \cdot \vec{e}_k) \partial_j \partial_k \Phi = \delta_{jk} \partial_j \partial_k \Phi,$$
where
$$\delta_{jk}=\begin{cases} 1 & \text{for} \quad j=k, \\ 0 & \text{for} \quad j \neq k. \end{cases}$$
So finally you get
$$\vec{\nabla} \cdot \vec{\nabla} \Phi = \partial_j \partial_j \Phi = (\partial_1^2 + \partial_2^2 + \partial_3^2) \Phi=\Delta \Phi.$$
Hello, thanks for the answer. May you please see the edit to the question.
 

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