Does this integral converge at $y=1$?

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The discussion revolves around the convergence of the integral $\int_{-\infty}^{0} \frac{1}{1+x^2}\,dx$ and its behavior as it approaches the limits of integration. Participants explore the implications of defining a variable $y$ in relation to the integral and its convergence properties.

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  • Some participants question the definition of $y$ and its relevance to the convergence of the integral.
  • One participant provides a substitution method using $x = \tan(\theta)$ to evaluate the integral, concluding it evaluates to $\frac{\pi}{2}$.
  • Another participant asserts that the integral converges on the interval $(-\infty, 0]$ but continues to seek clarification on the meaning of $y$.
  • There is a discussion about the behavior of the function $\frac{1}{1+x^2}$ as $x$ approaches $-\infty$, with some noting that it approaches $y=0$.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while the limit of the function as $x$ approaches $-\infty$ is zero, this alone does not guarantee the convergence of the integral.
  • One participant mentions that the convergence is influenced by how quickly the integrand approaches zero as $x$ increases, rather than solely by the domain of integration.

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Participants express differing views on the significance of the variable $y$ and its role in determining convergence. While some agree on the convergence of the integral, there is no consensus on the implications of defining $y$ or the conditions necessary for convergence.

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There are unresolved questions regarding the definition of $y$ and its implications for the integral's convergence. Additionally, the discussion highlights the importance of the behavior of the integrand as $x$ approaches the limits of integration.

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$\displaystyle
\int_{-\infty}^{0} \frac{1}{1+{x}^{2}}\,dx$

Due to the interval does this converge at $y=1$ ?
 
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karush said:
$\displaystyle
\int_{-\infty}^{0} \frac{1}{1+{x}^{2}}\,dx$

Due to the interval does this converge at $y=1$ ?
You'll have to define y first. What is it?

-Dan
 
$a=-\infty $ $b=0$
$\displaystyle
\int_{a}^{b} \frac{1}{1+{x}^{2}}\,dx$

$x=\tan\left({\theta}\right)
\therefore dx=\sec^2{\theta} \, d\theta
\therefore \theta = \arctan\left\{x\right\}$

$\displaystyle
\int_{a}^{b}\frac{\sec^2{\theta}}{\tan^2\left({\theta}\right)+1}
=\int_{a}^{b}\frac{\sec^2{\theta}}{\sec^2{\theta}} \,d\theta
=\int_{a}^{b}1\,d\theta
=\theta$
backsubstute $a=-\infty $ $b=0$ $\theta = \arctan\left\{x\right\}$
$=\left[\arctan\left(x\right) \right]_{-\infty}^0
=\frac{\pi}{2}$
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That's correct, but what is $y$ ?
 
$x=0,y=1$

But is that convergence
For $-\infty<x\le0$ ?
 
karush said:
$x=0,y=1$

But is that convergence
For $-\infty<x\le0$ ?
Yes, the integral converges on [math](-\infty, 0] [/math].

But what is y supposed to be? (Crying)

-Dan
 
so you mean what $\frac{1}{1+{x}^{2}}$ approaches, not what it is at a point

as it goes to $-\infty$ it approaches $y=0$
 
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karush said:
so you mean what $\frac{1}{1+{x}^{2}}$ approaches, not what it is at a point

as it goes to $-\infty$ it approaches $y=0$
So you are talking about the asymptote of the function 1/(1 + x^2). As x goes to - infinity then the asymptote is y = 0.

-Dan
 
Don't know, hope so🚬
 
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If you are defining:

$$y(x)\equiv\frac{1}{x^2+1}$$

Then yes, we have:

$$y(0)=1$$

and:

$$\lim_{x\to\infty}y=0$$

However, the fact that the above limit is zero, is a necessary but not sufficient condition for the integral to converge. :D
 
  • #11
The domain is $x\le 0$ would that make it converge or is that the wrong direction
 
  • #12
I did write the limit incorrectly, but we could note that an implication of the even function rule is that:

$$\int_{-\infty}^{0}\frac{1}{x^2+1}\,dx=\int_{0}^{\infty}\frac{1}{x^2+1}\,dx$$

What makes it converge isn't the domain but rather how quickly the integrand approaches zero as $x$ increases.
 

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