Does Throwing Rocks from a Boat Affect Water Level?

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The discussion revolves around the effects of throwing rocks from a floating boat on the water level. Participants are exploring the principles of buoyancy and displacement in the context of fluid mechanics.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants are questioning the relationship between the buoyant force and the displacement of water when rocks are transferred from the boat to the water. They are examining how the weight and volume of the rocks affect the water level.

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The discussion is active, with participants providing reasoning and questioning each other's assumptions about buoyancy and displacement. Some have offered insights into the mechanics of how the water level changes based on the density of the rocks and the boat's load.

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Participants are considering the implications of the rocks' density relative to water and the initial conditions of the boat's load. There is an ongoing examination of the definitions and relationships between weight, volume, and buoyant force.

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I have been pondering about this for awhile now. If there are rocks on a boat (that's floating in a water) and one by one the rock is thrown onto the water. Does the water level rise or fall from the initial level?

I believe that it will rise but am not 100% sure.
 
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pookisantoki said:
I have been pondering about this for awhile now. If there are rocks on a boat (that's floating in a water) and one by one the rock is thrown onto the water. Does the water level rise or fall from the initial level?

I believe that it will rise but am not 100% sure.

Why do you think so? Explain!

ehild
 
my reasoning is because of the forces acting on it...the Fb=density of the fluid * gravity * volume and by taking the rock out, were increasing the Fb so increasing the volume?
 
Why do you think that Fb increases if you take the rock out? Fb=Volume of the immersed part of the boat*g*density of the fluid. Does an empty boat immerse deeper in the water or a loaded one?

ehild
 
loaded ones immerses deeper so Fb is less when the rocks are taken out so the volume would be less...?? thus the water level will decrease??
 
Think of it this way. When the rock is in the boat, it's displacing a volume of water equal to its weight. When it's in the water it's displacing a volume of water equal to its volume. Think of what happens if the rock is really really dense.
 
pookisantoki said:
loaded ones immerses deeper so Fb is less when the rocks are taken out so the volume would be less...?? thus the water level will decrease??

Yes. Let be the mass of the rock m, that of the boat is M. The boat floats, part of it of volume V1 is immersed in water. Fb = (M+m)g=ρ(water)*g*V1.

V1=(M+m)/ρ(water), the total occupied volume in the pond is V(water)+V1.*

You throw the rock into the water. The boat becomes lighter, Fb=Mg=ρ(water)*g*V2,

V2=M/ρ(water),

but the rock is on the bottom of the water, (assuming that its density is higher than that of the water) and its volume is

V(rock) = m/ρ(rock).

The total occupied volume in the pond is now

V2+V(water) +V(rock) **

When is the occupied volume bigger?

ehild
 

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