Does velocity increase gravitation?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between velocity and gravitational attraction, particularly in the context of General Relativity (GR) and the concept of mass. Participants explore whether an object's mass increases with speed and how this affects gravitational interactions.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that GR predicts an increase in mass with speed and inquires about observational evidence for this claim.
  • Another participant counters that mass does not increase with speed, arguing that the concept of "relativistic mass" adds confusion to the understanding of mass.
  • A different viewpoint emphasizes that while relativistic momentum increases, the term "mass is added" is an oversimplification, and distinguishes between gravitational mass and inertial mass.
  • One participant acknowledges the confusion surrounding the topic, indicating a shared sentiment among those engaged in the discussion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the concept of mass in relation to speed, with no consensus reached on whether velocity affects gravitational attraction through mass increase.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the complexity of definitions related to mass, including gravitational and inertial mass, and the potential for misunderstanding in the context of relativistic effects.

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I understand that GR predicts that as an object's speed increases, so does it's mass. I wanted to know if there have been any observations that confirm this, by calculating the gravitational attraction of an object at varying speeds.
 
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Nope! The mass of an object does NOT increase as speed increases. The idea of "relativistic mass" seems to do nothing but add confusion to how we describe and explain the term mass. At least that is what I've gotten out of several heated discussions about it here on the forums and some reading around.

If you are accelerated in a ship to 99.99999% the speed of light, how does everything look and react on the ship in your frame of reference? The same as it does when you are stationary with respect to where you began! To you it is equally valid to say that you are moving at 99.99999% the speed of light, or that everything else but you is.
 
Well when we say "mass is added," this is kind of an oversimplification. Relativistic momentum is increased as per several equations that I won't post here.

Furthermore, it's important to note the distinction between gravitational mass and inertial mass, the inertial mass being the one "affected" by the oversimplification.
 
Hence the confusion I was talking about.:biggrin:
 

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