Don't understand the fundamentals of this problem using MVT

  • Thread starter Thread starter Arnoldjavs3
  • Start date Start date
  • Tags Tags
    Fundamentals Mvt
Click For Summary
The discussion addresses several key points regarding the application of the Mean Value Theorem (MVT) to polynomial functions. It clarifies that polynomials of the form p(x) = (x^2 + x)^n do not satisfy the degree n condition, as they are of degree 2n. The function h(x) = p(x) - e^x is introduced as a tool to find roots, with the understanding that the nth derivative of a polynomial eventually becomes a constant. The conversation emphasizes that the MVT implies there can be n-1 roots in the derivative, and the transition from h(x) to its nth derivative leads to a single solution where it equals zero. Overall, the discussion aims to deepen understanding of how these concepts interrelate in solving the problem.
Arnoldjavs3
Messages
191
Reaction score
3

Homework Statement


http://prntscr.com/daze68

What I don't understand:

1. "P be a polynomial with degree n"
do these equations satisfy this description?:
$$p(x) = (x^2 + x)^n$$
$$p(x) = (5x^2 + 2x)^n$$
etc.
2. "C1 is a curve defined by y=p(x)"
c1 is essentially just the curve of the polynomial?

3. p(x) = e^x
This is meant to find points of intersection(which are also called roots? Correct me if I'm wrong) right? That there are n solutions to this?

4. h(x) = p(x) - e^x
Where does this h(x) function come from? I thought this would equal to 0 if you rearrange the equation from
3. Is it just a function introduced for the sake of answering this problem?

5. "Since p is of degree n, the nth derivative is just a constant"
What is this saying? That after differentiation n is still a constant? Since it's a polynomial it has to be some constant to begin wtih right?

6. How do they go from h(x) = p(x) - e^x to h^(n)(x) = 0 and why does it have only one solution/root?
If you differentiate then it becomes h'(x) = p'(x) - e^x right?

I know that the MVT states( i think ) that the derivative will have n-1 roots. There exists a root between the interval of its original function but how does that apply here? Sorry if this is inappropiate for a question i just don't understand the problem at its core.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
Arnoldjavs3 said:

Homework Statement


http://prntscr.com/daze68

What I don't understand:

1. "P be a polynomial with degree n"
do these equations satisfy this description?:
$$p(x) = (x^2 + x)^n$$
$$p(x) = (5x^2 + 2x)^n$$
etc.
No. They are of degree ##2n##.
2. "C1 is a curve defined by y=p(x)"
c1 is essentially just the curve of the polynomial?
Yes, or better: the graph ## \{ (x,p(x)) \, \vert \, x \in \mathbb{R}\}## of the polynomial.
3. p(x) = e^x
This is meant to find points of intersection(which are also called roots? Correct me if I'm wrong) right? That there are n solutions to this?
Yes. The term root means "solution of the equation". And at most ##n##. There might be less.
4. h(x) = p(x) - e^x
Where does this h(x) function come from? I thought this would equal to 0 if you rearrange the equation from
3. Is it just a function introduced for the sake of answering this problem?
Just a definition. It is a "help" function. Instead of looking for solutions of ##p(x)=e^x## we now may look for zeroes of ##h(x)##.
So, the answer is yes. ##e^x## looks like a bent ##x-##axis. So the goal is to show, that what applies to the flat version also applies to the curved version.
5. "Since p is of degree n, the nth derivative is just a constant"
What is this saying? That after differentiation n is still a constant? Since it's a polynomial it has to be some constant to begin wtih right?
I don't understand what's your issue here. ##x^n## becomes ##const. \, x^1## after ##n-1## differentiations, ##const.## after ##n## and ##0## after ##n+1## differentiations. ##n## as the exponent is reduced by ##1## with every differentiation. But the (constant) coefficients of the highest term changes, however only from one constant to another, e.g. ##2x^n \rightarrow 2nx^{n-1} \rightarrow 2n(n-1)x^{n-2} \rightarrow \ldots ##
6. How do they go from h(x) = p(x) - e^x to h^(n)(x) = 0 and why does it have only one solution/root?
If you differentiate then it becomes h'(x) = p'(x) - e^x right?
Yes, and if you do it ##n## times, then it reads ##h^{(n)}(x)=const. \, - \, e^x## which has only one point, where ##h^{(n)}=0## is possible. (Why?)
I know that the MVT states( i think ) that the derivative will have n-1 roots. There exists a root between the interval of its original function but how does that apply here? Sorry if this is inappropiate for a question i just don't understand the problem at its core.
The trick is to go upwards again from ##h^{(n)}=0## since ##h^{n}(x) = h'\, (h^{(n-1)}(x) = 0## and climb back to ##h(x)## of which we want to find at most ##n## zeroes (roots). But I haven't read nor done the proof, so this is to be taken with a grain of salt.
 
Question: A clock's minute hand has length 4 and its hour hand has length 3. What is the distance between the tips at the moment when it is increasing most rapidly?(Putnam Exam Question) Answer: Making assumption that both the hands moves at constant angular velocities, the answer is ## \sqrt{7} .## But don't you think this assumption is somewhat doubtful and wrong?

Similar threads

  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 24 ·
Replies
24
Views
4K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
  • · Replies 7 ·
Replies
7
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
1K
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
2
Views
1K
  • · Replies 8 ·
Replies
8
Views
2K