Double-Slit Experiment - Clarification on 'Observation'

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of 'observation' or measurement in the context of the double-slit experiment and its implications in quantum physics. Participants explore how different types of measurements influence the behavior of particles, particularly regarding the alteration of their paths.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the specific type of 'observation' or measurement that alters a particle's path in the double-slit experiment, seeking clarity on the threshold at which this alteration begins to occur.
  • Another participant notes that the answer to what kind of measurement causes path alteration is currently unknown and suggests looking into 'quantum decoherence' as a potential avenue for understanding.
  • A different participant humorously remarks that resolving the measurement problem might threaten the job security of philosophers, while also highlighting the lack of experimental evidence in discussions about quantum measurement.
  • One participant asserts that all types and degrees of measurements inherently alter the particle being measured, emphasizing that any interaction to extract information involves an alteration of the system.
  • This participant uses the analogy of measuring the length of a finger to illustrate that measurement requires interaction, which inevitably changes the state of what is being measured.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying viewpoints on the nature of measurement in quantum mechanics, with no consensus reached on the specifics of how observation affects particle behavior. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the precise mechanisms and implications of measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of the measurement problem and the reliance on interpretations of quantum mechanics, indicating that the discussion is limited by the current understanding and definitions of measurement in quantum physics.

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Hello;

In classical physics, measurement does not play a major role, but in quantum physics measurement plays an active role, correct? In the double-slit experiment, whether or not the path of the particle is measured - a detector finds which slit it passes through. I'm not questioning why this happens (well, I do, but that's not what I'm asking here). I want to know what kind of 'observation' or measurement specifically causes the particle's path to be altered, i.e. at what degree of measurement does this phenomenon (begin to) occur?
 
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FeDeX_LaTeX said:
I want to know what kind of 'observation' or measurement specifically causes the particle's path to be altered, i.e. at what degree of measurement does this phenomenon (begin to) occur?

That is unknown.

There are ideas in what direction the answers to such questions are to be sought. For instance, you can look up information about 'quantum decoherence'. The current state, as far as I know, is that all ideas for addressing the measurement problem are interpretations.
 
FeDeX_LaTeX said:
I want to know what kind of 'observation' or measurement specifically causes the particle's path to be altered, i.e. at what degree of measurement does this phenomenon (begin to) occur?
If we ever settle that, we'll put a few dozen philosophers out of work, so maybe we shouldn't touch this problem for fear of making unemployment worse.

The amusing thing about quantum measurement is that virtually nobody who discusses it backs up his/her statements with experimental evidence. Greenstein and Zajonc have a nice book, The Quantum Challenge, that discusses experimental evidence regarding measurement that isn't difficult.
 
I think the simple answer is all kinds of measurements alter the particle being measured. Also, all degrees of measurements alter the particle being measured. There is no measurement you can make without altering what your measuring.

If I want to measure the length of my finger, I need to interact with it in some way, with a ruler, or with light perhaps.

You can't get something for free, to extract information is to extract energy, energy is conserved.
 

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