Drag force with differential equations, finding max speed

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The problem involves analyzing the motion of a submarine propelled by a constant force while experiencing a resistive drag force proportional to its speed. The context includes writing and solving a differential equation of motion to determine the submarine's speed as a function of time and identifying its maximum speed.

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  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the formulation of the differential equation of motion, with some suggesting different representations of forces involved. There is exploration of integrating the differential equation and solving for speed as a function of time. Questions arise regarding the maximum speed and the conditions for equilibrium between the driving force and drag force.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with various approaches to solving the differential equation being explored. Some participants express uncertainty about their methods and seek clarification on the maximum speed calculation. There is no explicit consensus yet, but productive lines of reasoning are being developed.

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Participants note the need to consider boundary conditions and constants in their equations, as well as the potential confusion arising from variable substitutions. The discussion reflects the complexities of applying physical principles to the problem setup.

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Homework Statement



A submarine engine provides maximum constant force ##F## to propel it through the
water.

Assume that the magnitude of the resistive drag force of the water experienced
by the submarine is ##kv##, where ##k## is the drag coefficient and ##v## is the
instantaneous speed of the boat.

When the engine is switched on to full power, the submarine starts from rest and
moves horizontally in a straight line.

If the mass of the submarine is ##M##

1) Write the differential equation of motion of the submarine in terms of its
speed ##v##

2) Solve the equation of motion from part (1) to find the speed ##v(t)## as a
function of time ##t##

3) What is the maximum possible speed ##v_{max}## the submarine can reach with
this engine?

Homework Equations



Newtons second states ##F = ma##. Then given force ##F## I have ##F = ma##.

The Attempt at a Solution



For the drag force ##-kv## I can write this as ##-Kmv## where ##K## is some constant
such that ##-Kmv = -kv##.

This gives me

$$
ma = -Kmv
$$

Dividing by ##m## and noting that ##a = \frac{dv}{dt}## gives

$$
\frac{dv}{dt} = -Kv
$$

Which is a differential equation of motion in terms of the speed ##v##.

Solving this differential equation as

$$
\frac{1}{v} dv = -K dt
$$

Then integrate both sides for

$$
\ln(v) = -K t + C_1
$$

Here I can take the exponential of each side and note that ##e^{x + b} = Ae^x##
where ##A,b## are constants.

So I have

$$
v = Ae^{-Kt}
$$For the maximum speed I need to consider where the force of motion by the engine
is balanced by the force of the drag.

At this point I will have

$$
kv_{max} = ma
$$

Using the solution from part (2) we can sub for ##v## as

$$
k\left( A e^{-K t} \right) = ma
$$I'm not sure how to obtain the maximum speed here though?

The expression can be rewritten as

$$
\frac{kA}{ma} = e^{Kt}
$$

Given ##K## is some constant this is just (where ##D## is some constant)

$$
\frac{kA}{ma} = e^{t} e^{K} = De^{t}
$$

So

$$
\frac{kA}{Dma} =
e^{t}
$$

I don't think that this is correct, or even know if it makes sense.

It's suggesting that the constant ##k## multiplied by the constant ##A## divided by
the product of mass, acceleration and ##D## is equal to ##e^t##.

So I'm confused

Thanks
 
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The submarine engine is propelling the submarine with force F and this force is being opposed by the drag -Kmv. Therefore the net force on the submarine will be F-Kmv.
 
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cheers -

so I can use that at the equilibrium I will have

$$
F - kv = 0
$$

And this is the net force, so these are also equal to ##ma##, and can be expressed as

$$
F - kv = ma
$$

Note that ##a = \frac{dv}{dt}## which gives

$$
F - kv = m \frac{dv}{dt}
$$

From here I can divide through by mass, letting ##p = \frac{1}{m}## gives

$$
pF - pkv = \frac{dv}{dt}
$$

Then arranging the differential for integration gives

$$
\frac{1}{pF - pdk} dv = dt
$$

Integrate both sides

$$
\int \frac{1}{pF - pdk} dv = \int dt
$$

Here I can make the sub ##u = pF - pkv## such that ##du = -(pk) dv## and
##\frac{1}{-pk} du = dv##

Then subbing these in gives

$$
-\frac{1}{pk}\int \frac{1}{u} du = \int dt
$$

Solving this gives

$$
-\frac{1}{pk} \ln(u) = t + C_1
$$

Subbing back for ##u## gives

$$
- \frac{1}{pk} \ln(pF - pkv) = t + C_1
$$

Then if I wanted to solve for ##v## I can multiply both sides by ##- \frac{1}{pk}##
for (using a new constant ##C_2##)

$$
\ln(pF - pkv) = -pkt + C_2
$$

Then take exponentials as

$$
pF - pkv
= e^{-pkt + C_2}
$$Then note that ##e^{-pkt + C_2}## is equal to ##e^{-pkt} \times C_3##. Rearranging
from this gives

$$
pkv = pF - C_3 e^{-pkt}
$$

Dividing through by ##pk## gives$$
v = \frac{pF - C_3 e^{-pkt}}{pk}
$$

As the solution to the differential in terms of ##v##Is this approach right?
 
gelfand said:
Dividing through by pkpk gives
v=pF−C3e−pktpk​
v = \frac{pF - C_3 e^{-pkt}}{pk}

As the solution to the differential in terms of v

A good way to check the result, would be to plug it back into the original differential equation to see that m dv/dt and F - kv are indeed equal. But, the answer does look correct to me (provided you use the boundary conditions to find the value of C3 and use m instead of the placeholder variable p).
 

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