Dynamics: rogid bodies force and acceleration

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The discussion revolves around dynamics involving rigid bodies, specifically focusing on the relationship between force, acceleration, and rotational motion. Participants are examining the application of equations related to moments of inertia and angular acceleration in a given scenario.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to calculate angular acceleration using moments about point A but questions the discrepancy between their result and a provided solution that uses moments about the center of mass. Others raise concerns about the validity of the original poster's approach and clarify assumptions regarding the center of rotation.

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Participants are actively engaging in clarifying concepts and addressing misunderstandings related to the application of formulas. Some guidance has been offered regarding the correct point of rotation and the implications of using different reference points for calculations.

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There is a noted confusion regarding the application of the parallel axis theorem and the assumptions about the center of rotation, which are critical to resolving the discrepancies in calculations. The original poster expresses uncertainty about the formulas being used and their implications.

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Homework Statement



[PLAIN]http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/1063/1763o.jpg

Homework Equations



IG = (1/12)ml^2
\sum Ma=(IG+m(rG)^2)

The Attempt at a Solution



I take the moment about A, which gives me the following:
(4kg)(9.81m/s^2)(1m)=((1/12)(4kg)(2m)^2+(4kg)(1m)^2)\alpha
\alpha = 7.3575 rad/s^2

But in the solutions they have: \alpha = 14.7 rad/s^2, which is 2 times more. They are taking the moment about G, using Fa = (1/2)(4kg)(9.81m/s^2). Why does it yield a different answer? The way I do it must be wrong, but I don't see why.

Also they have (aG)y = 4.905m/s^2, but I though that (aG)y = rG*\alpha, and rG = 1m in this case, so (aG)y must be equal to \alpha

What am I doing wrong? Thanks in advance for the help.
 
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Honestly, I don't understand this formula:
\sum Ma=(IG+m(rG)^2)
 
hi etotheix! :smile:
etotheix said:
I take the moment about A …

no, you can't do that, the Iω formula for https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=313" about either the centre of mass or the centre of rotation …

A is neither :redface:

(because A will start accelerating upwards as soon as the string is cut)
Also … I though that (aG)y = rG*\alpha, and rG = 1m in this case, so (aG)y must be equal to \alpha

no, a = rα assumes that r is the distance to the centre of rotation, and (again) that isn't A, so it isn't :wink:

you'll need to use the https://www.physicsforums.com/library.php?do=view_item&itemid=189" force, before and after (just call it F)
Quinzio said:
Honestly, I don't understand this formula:
\sum Ma=(IG+m(rG)^2)


it's the parallel axis theorem in disguise :biggrin:
 
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Thank you very much tiny-tim! It is very clear now.
 

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