E=mc^2 states mass and energy are interchangeable but ?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the relationship between mass and energy as described by Einstein's equation E=mc² and its implications for Dalton's law of constant mass in chemical reactions. Participants explore the applicability of these principles in different contexts, particularly contrasting nuclear and chemical reactions.

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  • Conceptual clarification
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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the compatibility of E=mc² with Dalton's law, suggesting that mass conservation is violated during reactions.
  • Another participant argues that E=mc² is relevant primarily to nuclear reactions, while Dalton's law applies to chemical reactions, where mass is conserved.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while mass-energy equivalence exists, the changes in mass during chemical reactions are negligible compared to the mass of reactants, thus Dalton's law holds in practical terms.
  • Some participants note that the energy involved in chemical reactions is significantly lower than that in nuclear reactions, leading to smaller changes in mass that are often imperceptible.
  • One participant asserts that E=mc² applies universally, not just in nuclear contexts, and that mass differences in chemical reactions are too small to affect Dalton's law in practice.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express disagreement regarding the interpretation of mass conservation in the context of E=mc² and Dalton's law. Some maintain that there is no violation of mass conservation, while others argue that the principles apply differently in nuclear versus chemical reactions. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the limitations of applying E=mc² to chemical reactions due to the minuscule changes in mass that occur, which are often beyond the precision of measurement in chemical contexts.

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e=mc^2 states mass and energy are interchangeable but ??

But daltons law of constabt mass is voilated as states that while a reaction the mass of product = mass of reactant
any explanations?
 
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I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. Einstein's E=mc^2 applies to nuclear reactions whereas Dalton's law applies specifically to chemical reactions.

In a chemical reaction, electrons are interchanged, bonds are made, others are broken and energy is either given off or absorbed but no nuclear reactions are happening.
 
jedishrfu said:
I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. Einstein's E=mc^2 applies to nuclear reactions whereas Dalton's law applies specifically to chemical reactions.

In a chemical reaction, electrons are interchanged, bonds are made, others are broken and energy is either given off or absorbed but no nuclear reactions are happening.


ok thankyou so much jedishrfu
my past 3 year doubt is now cleared thankyou so much
 
jagdishdash said:
But daltons law of constabt mass is voilated as states that while a reaction the mass of product = mass of reactant
any explanations?
An oxygen molecule is also stable, which is another way of saying that it takes energy E to pull two oxygen atoms apart. So you could think of the animation as representing a stable molecule. However, the binding energies of molecules are much less than those of nuclei, and so the masses involved are smaller. A typical chemical reaction might involve a nett energy of 30 kJ per mole, or 5 x 10-20 J per molecule. So the change in mass is 5 x 10-37 kg, which is only .0001% of the mass of an electron.
http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/einsteinlight/jw/module5_binding.htm
In other words that change in mass is very small and hence negligible for molecules (not the same for nuclei-see link.).
 
There is no violation because since mass and energy are equivalent, Dalton's Law is truly saying that the total of mass and energy remain constant (since they are equivalent), which it does.
 
jedishrfu said:
I think you're mixing apples and oranges here. Einstein's E=mc^2 applies to nuclear reactions whereas Dalton's law applies specifically to chemical reactions.

In a chemical reaction, electrons are interchanged, bonds are made, others are broken and energy is either given off or absorbed but no nuclear reactions are happening.

You are wrong. E=mc2 is not about nuclear reactions, it is about mass and energy equivalence. Yes, it is most easily observable in nuclear reactions, but it doesn't mean it doesn't hold for other systems.

In chemical reactions - strictly speaking - mass of products is NOT equal to mass of reactants when we take mass energy equivalence into consideration. However, the difference is many orders of magnitude lower than the accuracy with which we can weight substances involved, so for all practical purposes Dalton's law holds.
 

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