Earliest Photons: Quark Era & Neutrino Decoupling

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the existence of photons during the early universe, specifically in the electroweak era and the quark-gluon plasma phase. Participants explore the relationship between photons, quarks, and gluons, as well as the concept of neutrino decoupling.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that photons were present since the Big Bang but were constantly interacting with charged particles in the plasma until the universe cooled down.
  • There is a question regarding whether quarks and anti-quarks, as well as electron-positron pairs, originated from pairs of photons or from both photons and gluons.
  • One participant suggests that at high enough energy, photon pairs could lead to the creation of proton and antiproton pairs.
  • Another participant expresses curiosity about whether photons and weak force bosons existed alongside gluons during the quark-gluon plasma phase, or if gluons were the only bosons present until symmetry breaking occurred.
  • Some participants acknowledge the complexity of the topic, indicating varying levels of understanding regarding quarks, gluons, and the early universe's conditions.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that photons were present from the beginning of the universe, but there is uncertainty regarding their interactions and the specific conditions of the early universe, particularly during the quark-gluon plasma phase.

Contextual Notes

Participants express limitations in their understanding of the relationship between photons, quarks, and gluons, as well as the timing of neutrino decoupling. The discussion reflects a range of knowledge levels and interpretations of early universe physics.

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Where there photons around in the electroweak era?

I read that
The CMB photons travel through the universe relatively unimpeded until recombination when the atoms formed and before this they were being scattered. Were they around in the quark anti quark gluon plasma?

I am also interested in what is meant by neutrino decoupling

Thanks for any information

Mr C
 
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Photons were around since the bigbang. However until the universe cooled down they were constantly interacting with the charged particles making up the plasma.
 
Thanks for the response
So did the quarks and anti-quarks and the electron positron pairs come into existence from pairs of photons or both pairs of photons and gluons?
I appreciate the answer as this helps plug the holes in my limited knowledge
 
Electron (positron) pairs come from photon pairs. Quarks and gluons are a little over my head. At high enough energy photon pairs could lead to proton (antiproton) pairs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-photon_physics

The above should help.
 
Brilliant thanks for this lead. I have also dug out my first three minutes by Weinberg.
I am happy that there is a time when photons are making baryons and fermions and as the temperature cools then this conversion and anhillation stop and a residual amount of matter remains. What I can't seem to find any information on is when the Universe was even hotter and there were quark anti quark pairs and gluons, were there photons and the bosons associated with the weak force then as well as the gluons, or does this stage have the gluon as the only boson. So the photons appear when the symetry is broken and the electroweak force and strong force separate.
This may not even make sense.

Thanks for your responses so far
 
I don't have material to help you in general. My understanding is that photons were there from the very beginning.

https://www.google.com/#q=big+bang+gluons

The above is what I got from Google. There should be something useful.
 

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