Earth may owe its birth to a solar eruption

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The discussion centers on the formation of Earth and Mars, exploring the hypothesis that a solar eruption from the young sun may have played a crucial role in Earth's birth and influenced Mars' size. Participants examine various theories regarding planetary formation, including the implications of solar activity and gravitational influences from nearby celestial bodies.

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  • Exploratory, Debate/contested, Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the young sun's hyperactivity could explain Earth's formation and address longstanding questions about Mars.
  • One participant challenges the explanation for Mars' size, arguing that the relevance of material stickiness diminishes beyond a few kilometers, implying that gravity plays a more significant role in larger bodies.
  • Another participant proposes that Jupiter's size may have influenced Mars' development, suggesting that Mars was fortunate not to become a moon of Jupiter.
  • A later reply references the historical standard theory that attributes Mars' small size to Jupiter's gravitational influence, contrasting it with the new theory that links Mars' size to the effects of solar flare activity on dust grains.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the factors influencing Mars' size, with some supporting the new theory related to solar activity while others emphasize gravitational effects from Jupiter. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the primary causes of Mars' formation and size.

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Limitations include the dependence on the definitions of material stickiness and the role of gravity in planetary formation, as well as unresolved aspects of the proposed mechanisms for both Earth and Mars' formation.

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Earth may have been born in a huge flare-up of the young sun

by Ken Croswell

It’s not easy to make Earth. Most of the explanations for how our planet formed have troubling problems. But if a new idea is right, we can thank a hyperactive young sun for Earth’s existence, plus solve a long-standing mystery about Mars.

Read more at New Scientist .
 
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The explanation for Mars sounds odd. Sticking together is only relevant at sizes of at most a few kilometers (and most important before the http://www.mpia.de/~dullemon/group/overview.php), afterwards gravity takes over. Mars is larger than that, so something did form.

I had a look at the original research paper. Less sticky material would reduce the number of planetesimals and make the process of their formation slower. Both gives the remaining dust more chance to escape.
 
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It seems to me that the reason why Mars is small is because Jupiter is big.
Mars sort of 'got lucky' to not end up not being just another moon of Jupiter,
 
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As the New Scientist article states, the standard theory concerning Mars--going all the way back to 1755--is that the planet is small because of Jupiter.

But in the new theory, Mars is small because the solar flare-up didn't heat dust grains at its position much, so they didn't stick together much, so they could form only a planet much smaller than Earth.
 

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