Earth, Sun & Galaxies: Physics of Movement

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the physics of movement related to the Earth, Sun, and galaxies, specifically addressing why humans do not perceive the high velocities at which these celestial bodies move. The scope includes conceptual reasoning and exploratory discussions about motion and perception.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant states that the Earth spins on its axis and orbits the Sun at significant speeds, questioning why we do not feel this motion.
  • Another participant asserts that humans do not sense velocity itself, but rather changes in velocity.
  • A participant challenges the claim that 144 mi/sec is one-tenth the speed of light, providing the actual speed of light for comparison.
  • An example involving flying in an airplane is presented to illustrate that motion is not felt unless there is a change in velocity, such as during takeoff.
  • A hypothetical scenario is proposed where a person at the North Pole would rotate through 360 degrees in 24 hours, questioning whether they could feel that rotation without visual cues.
  • Another participant notes that the atmosphere rotates with the Earth, contributing to the lack of sensation of motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that humans do not sense constant velocity but rather changes in velocity. However, there are disagreements regarding the specifics of motion perception and the accuracy of speed comparisons.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions regarding the perception of motion and the effects of the atmosphere on sensation are not fully explored. The discussion includes varying interpretations of rotational speeds and their implications.

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The Earth spins on it's axis at approximately 2 mi/sec(795 mi/hr), it
spins around the sun at approximately 18.5 mi/sec(67,000 mi/hr), and
the sun along with all of the planets spins around the center of the
galaxy at 144 mi/sec(1/10th the speed of light. So how come we don't
feel all of that motion?
 
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We don't sense velocity with our bodies, only change in velocity.
 
mistersmith said:
144 mi/sec(1/10th the speed of light.

The speed of light is 186,282 mi/sec, and 144 mi/sec is nowhere near 1/10th of that.
 
mathman said:
We don't sense velocity with our bodies, only change in velocity.

example...flying in an airplane. You don't feel the motion while traveling at a few hundred miles per hour (turbulence aside) but you do feel the change in velocity (acceleration) when taking off.
 
Suppose you were blindfolded and sat in a chair at the north pole. In 24 hours you would turn through 360 degrees, in one hour through 15 degrees. Do you suppose that without some exterior visual cue you could "feel" that speed of rotation? And everywhere else than the poles, the experienced earthly rotation is less; at the equator it's zero - parallel transport! And all the other rotation speeds you cite are less than the earth's, 360 degrees in a year? 360 degrees in umpty billion years? Man when you turn your head to one side you do 90 degrees in half a second; that's 648,000 degrees per hour, for comparison.
 
Phobos said:
example...flying in an airplane. You don't feel the motion while traveling at a few hundred miles per hour (turbulence aside) but you do feel the change in velocity (acceleration) when taking off.
can this be considered as an example for inertia?
 
Plus the atmosphere spins at pretty much the same rate as the Earth, that helps in not feeling anything... :smile:
 

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