Undergrad "Easy example" of transcendental numbers

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Transcendental numbers are defined as irrational numbers that cannot be expressed as the roots of any rational polynomial, distinguishing them from algebraic numbers. The discussion revolves around the difficulty in understanding the concept of transcendental numbers, particularly in relation to an indeterminate variable, denoted as x. It is noted that while x is considered transcendental by definition, the challenge lies in identifying specific examples of transcendental numbers, such as π. The conversation references the field of rational functions, indicating that both x and π belong to the same field, but the proof of π's transcendence requires Lindemann's theorem. Overall, the thread highlights the confusion surrounding the identification and understanding of transcendental numbers.
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I am watching this lecture by Richard E Borcherds on Galois theory: Field extensions and the following "easy example" is not easy for me to understand.

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How should I notice that x is transcendental?
 

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Transcendental numbers are defined as irrational but not being in any other subset of irrationals.

Trancendental numbers are irrational with non-repeating, and non-terminating decimals but not algebraic like the ##\sqrt{2}## ie they can't be expressed as the solution to:

##(x^2-2)=0##
 
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##x## is transcendental if it is not algebraic. Algebraic numbers are those which are a root of a rational polynomial, and there is no polynomial ##p(t)\in \mathbb{Q}[t]## such that ##p(x)=0.##
 
Why
fresh_42 said:
there is no polynomial ##p(t)\in \mathbb{Q}[t]## such that ##p(x)=0##
?
 
Hill said:
Why

?
What is ##x##?
 
fresh_42 said:
What is ##x##?
I don't know. This is my question.
 
I read it as an indeterminate and as such does not fulfill any equation, except ##x\cdot 0=0.##
 
So, where is an example of a transcendental number in this?
 
Hill said:
So, where is an example of a transcendental number in this?
If you consider ##\mathbb{Q}(x)## the field of rational functions, i.e. the quotient of polynomials in ##x.## It is the same field as if we adjointed ##\pi##
$$
\mathbb{Q}(x) \cong \mathbb{Q}(\pi).
$$
The only difference is, that we need Lindemann's proof to see that ##\pi## is transcendental whereas an indeterminate is transcendental per definition of an indeterminate as a variable that does not fulfill an algebraic equation.
 
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So, where is an example of a transcendental number in this?
Read carefully, he doesn't say transcendetal number. He says that ##x## is transcendental.
 

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