"Easy example" of transcendental numbers

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The discussion centers on the concept of transcendental numbers, particularly in the context of Richard E. Borcherds' lecture on Galois theory. Transcendental numbers are defined as irrational numbers that cannot be expressed as the roots of any polynomial with rational coefficients, distinguishing them from algebraic numbers. The example provided in the discussion highlights the indeterminate variable \(x\), which is considered transcendental by definition, as it does not satisfy any algebraic equation. The equivalence of the fields \(\mathbb{Q}(x)\) and \(\mathbb{Q}(\pi)\) is also noted, emphasizing the need for Lindemann's proof to establish \(\pi\) as transcendental.

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I am watching this lecture by Richard E Borcherds on Galois theory: Field extensions and the following "easy example" is not easy for me to understand.

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How should I notice that x is transcendental?
 

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Transcendental numbers are defined as irrational but not being in any other subset of irrationals.

Trancendental numbers are irrational with non-repeating, and non-terminating decimals but not algebraic like the ##\sqrt{2}## ie they can't be expressed as the solution to:

##(x^2-2)=0##
 
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##x## is transcendental if it is not algebraic. Algebraic numbers are those which are a root of a rational polynomial, and there is no polynomial ##p(t)\in \mathbb{Q}[t]## such that ##p(x)=0.##
 
Why
fresh_42 said:
there is no polynomial ##p(t)\in \mathbb{Q}[t]## such that ##p(x)=0##
?
 
Hill said:
Why

?
What is ##x##?
 
fresh_42 said:
What is ##x##?
I don't know. This is my question.
 
I read it as an indeterminate and as such does not fulfill any equation, except ##x\cdot 0=0.##
 
So, where is an example of a transcendental number in this?
 
Hill said:
So, where is an example of a transcendental number in this?
If you consider ##\mathbb{Q}(x)## the field of rational functions, i.e. the quotient of polynomials in ##x.## It is the same field as if we adjointed ##\pi##
$$
\mathbb{Q}(x) \cong \mathbb{Q}(\pi).
$$
The only difference is, that we need Lindemann's proof to see that ##\pi## is transcendental whereas an indeterminate is transcendental per definition of an indeterminate as a variable that does not fulfill an algebraic equation.
 
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Hill said:
So, where is an example of a transcendental number in this?
Read carefully, he doesn't say transcendetal number. He says that ##x## is transcendental.
 
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