Eigenvalue Problem: Directional Loss & Consequences

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, particularly focusing on the abstract notion of direction in mathematical contexts. Participants explore the implications of this abstraction, specifically questioning the meaning of "directional losses" and their consequences.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant introduces the idea that many mathematical objects can be treated as vectors, leading to an abstract definition of direction in the context of eigenvalues.
  • Another participant challenges the introduction of "directional losses," suggesting that the quoted text does not support this concept and likening it to an inefficient engine.
  • A further contribution clarifies that the term "direction" in eigenvector and eigenvalue contexts extends beyond its intuitive meaning, highlighting the complexity of interpreting functions like cos(x) and sin(x) as vectors.
  • A later reply expresses understanding and appreciation for the clarifications provided by other participants.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the concept of "directional losses," with some expressing confusion and others providing clarifications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of this term.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights the limitations in understanding the term "direction" when applied to mathematical objects, as well as the potential misinterpretation of concepts related to eigenvalues and eigenvectors.

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Many kinds of mathematical objects can be treated as vectors: functions, harmonic modes, quantum states, and frequencies, for example. In these cases, the concept of direction loses its ordinary meaning, and is given an abstract definition. Even so, if this abstract direction is unchanged by a given linear transformation, the prefix "eigen" is used, as in eigenfunction, eigenmode, eigenstate, and eigenfrequency.

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eigenvalue



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You are misreading the quoted text. There is nothing there about "directional losses", which I should say reminds me of an inefficient engine for some reason. The article says though vectors are often associated with direction, they may not always be and if those concepts which may be interpreted mathematically as directions remain untouched by a linear transformation, they are prefixed with "eigen-".
 
"Direction", in the context of eigenvector and eigenvalues, does not always have its original intuative meaning. It's easy for everyone to understand that the vectors (1,2) and (3,4) have different "directions". You can draw a picture. It's less easy to accept that the functions(vectors) cos(x) and sin(x) have different "directions". Essentially we are overloading[/PLAIN] the english word "direction" to represent concepts far beyond its original scope.
 
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okay. i got it.

thank you very much guys
 

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