Eigenvectors and eigenvalues - how to find the column vector

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The discussion revolves around the concept of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, specifically examining whether a column vector exists that satisfies the equation A*v = 2v given a matrix A with known eigenvalues. The scope includes theoretical understanding and mathematical reasoning related to linear algebra.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asserts that no column vector v exists such that A*v = 2v because 2 is not an eigenvalue of matrix A.
  • Another participant challenges this view, suggesting that a vector does exist but may not be interesting, and recommends solving (A - 2I)v = 0.
  • A participant provides a solution, presenting a vector v as (1, 0, 0) but is questioned about the dimensionality of the vector.
  • Further clarification is provided regarding the nature of eigenvalues and eigenvectors, emphasizing that a non-trivial vector cannot exist for non-eigenvalues.
  • Several participants converge on the idea that the zero vector (0, 0, 0) is a solution to A*v = 2v, but it is not considered an eigenvector.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the zero vector satisfies the equation A*v = 2v, but there is disagreement on the interpretation of this result in the context of eigenvalues and eigenvectors. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of the zero vector in relation to eigenvalues.

Contextual Notes

There is a distinction made between trivial (zero) and non-trivial (non-zero) solutions in the context of eigenvectors, which is a point of contention. The discussion also highlights the importance of eigenvalues in determining the existence of non-trivial solutions.

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Hi We have a matrix A (picture), the eigenvalues are λ1 = 4 and λ2 = 1 and the eigenvectors are

λ1 : t(1,0,1)
λ2 : t1(1,0,2) + t2(0,1,0)

I have to examine if there's a column vector v that satifies :

A*v = 2 v I would say no there doesn't exist such a column vector v because 2 isn't an eigenvalue:

Av = λv

so

Av = 2v

but we know that λ is 4 or 1 and not 2


Am I wrong ?

I would be nice if someone could give me their opinion :)
 

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Tala.S said:
I have to examine if there's a column vector v that satifies :

A*v = 2 v


I would say no there doesn't exist such a column vector v because 2 isn't an eigenvalue:

You seem to understand what eigenvalnes and vectors are, which is good.

But you aren't quite right. There IS a vector that satisfies A*v = 2 v, but you might think it's not a very interesting vector.

Try solving (A - 2I)v = 0, and see what you get.
 
When I solve it I get

v =

(1 0)
(0 0)
(0 0)

?
 

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You cannot use Maple in this way. You should use linsolve(A1,b) or LinearSolve(A1,b). Or better, do it by hand.
 
I don't understand what you mean by that. Your vectors before were single columns of three numbers. How could v be two columns?

You were close to right when you said before "doesn't exist such a column vector v because 2 isn't an eigenvalue". What is true is that [itex]\lambda[/itex] is an eigenvalue for matrix A if and only if there exist a non-trivial (i.e. non-zero) vector v such that [itex]Av= \lambda v[/itex].

Since two is not an eigenvalue, there cannot exist a non-trivial vector but, as
Aleph-zero said, "There IS a vector that satisfies A*v = 2 v, but you might think it's not a very interesting vector.".
 
So the vector is (0,0,0) ?

Or have I completely misunderstood this ?
 
Tala.S said:
So the vector is (0,0,0) ?
Right. But it is not counted as an eigenvector.
 
Tala.S said:
So the vector is (0,0,0) ?

Or have I completely misunderstood this ?

Correct. The question asked you to find a column vector, not a non-zero column vector!

You only get non-zero solutions of Av = λv when λ is an eigenvalue, but v = 0 is a solution for any value of λ.
 

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