Einstein velocity addition rule

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The discussion revolves around the application of Einstein's velocity addition rule in the context of two cars moving at relativistic speeds and a bullet fired from one of the cars. Participants are exploring how to determine the relative velocities involved and whether the bullet will reach the other car.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants are questioning the validity of using simple subtraction to find the relative velocity of Car 2 with respect to Car 1. They discuss the need for the relativistic velocity addition formula instead. There is also exploration of the ambiguity regarding the reference frames for the given velocities.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants providing different perspectives on the application of the velocity addition rule. Some guidance has been offered regarding the necessity of using the relativistic formula, but no consensus has been reached on the interpretation of the velocities involved.

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There is a noted ambiguity in the problem regarding the reference frames for the velocities of Car 1, Car 2, and the bullet. This lack of clarity may affect the participants' understanding and calculations.

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Car 1 is traveling at 3/4c. Car 2 in behind Car 1 is traveling at 1/2c. Car2 fires a bullet that travels at 1/3 c.


OK. In order to determine whether the bullet reaches Car 1 or not we need to use Einsteins velocity addition rule and determine whether the relative velocity of the bullet with respect to Car 1 is positive or negative, correct?

Is it safe in special relativity to say that the velocity of Car 2 with respect to Car 1 is 1/2c - 3/4c? Or do I need to do another velocity addition rule to calculate that?
 
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Actually you can just use the velocity addition rule to add the bullet's velocity to car 2's velocity and see if the answer exceeds the velocity of car 1.
 
ehrenfest said:
Is it safe in special relativity to say that the velocity of Car 2 with respect to Car 1 is 1/2c - 3/4c? Or do I need to do another velocity addition rule to calculate that?

You don't need to calculate this velocity, but this velocity is not 1/2c-3/4c. You would use relativistic velocity addition or transformation of velocity to calculate this.

Although I'm able to see what the question is asking, it's a little ambiguous because you haven't given what 3/4c, 1/2c and 1/3c are relative to... I assumed that the 3/4c and 1/2c are relative to some stationary observer, and the 1/3c is in the backwards direction relative to car 2.
 
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ehrenfest said:
Car 1 is traveling at 3/4c. Car 2 in behind Car 1 is traveling at 1/2c. Car2 fires a bullet that travels at 1/3 c.
I imagine this bullet travels at c/3 relative to car 2, though this isn't explicitly stated.


OK. In order to determine whether the bullet reaches Car 1 or not we need to use Einsteins velocity addition rule and determine whether the relative velocity of the bullet with respect to Car 1 is positive or negative, correct?
Correct.

Is it safe in special relativity to say that the velocity of Car 2 with respect to Car 1 is 1/2c - 3/4c? Or do I need to do another velocity addition rule to calculate that?
No, you can not simply subtract the numbers; you must apply the relativistic formula.
 

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