Einstein's:Mass increase resulting from Acceleration increase

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the concept of mass in relation to acceleration and velocity as proposed by Einstein. Participants explore the implications of relativistic mass, invariant mass, and the effects of acceleration on mass, with references to various interpretations and definitions in the context of relativity.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants seek references to Einstein's notion that acceleration increases mass, while others clarify that most physicists consider mass to be constant, with energy increasing as velocity increases.
  • There is a discussion on the confusion surrounding the concept of relativistic mass versus invariant mass, with some arguing that mass should be considered invariant and does not change with velocity.
  • One participant notes that the perceived increase in mass is frame-dependent, depending on whether the observer is using a 3D + time perspective or a 4D space-time perspective.
  • Another participant emphasizes the importance of definitions, arguing that the term "mass" can vary in meaning across different texts and contexts, leading to potential misunderstandings.
  • There is mention of the need for clarity in discussions, suggesting that "mass" should be explicitly defined as rest mass or relativistic mass to avoid confusion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the consensus on the terminology and concepts, indicating that the discussion remains open and unresolved.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass, acceleration, and velocity, with no consensus reached on the definitions and implications of these concepts. The discussion remains contested, with multiple competing interpretations present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include varying definitions of mass across different texts, the dependence on observer frames, and unresolved interpretations of Einstein's work. The discussion highlights the complexity of the topic and the need for careful consideration of terminology.

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robphy said:
If you are implying that "apparent energy measured by this observer" is redundant, yes, I agree... that is why I did not use such a phrase.
If one is speaking of flat spacetime an inertial frames then it depends on usage. If there is no field present then its bet to refer to the sum of mass-energy and rest energy as "inertial energy." If there is a field present then the potential energy must be added and then one refers to the sum as the "energy" or "total energy." The time component of the 4-momentum will be the inertial energy. The time component of the canonical 4-momentum will be the the total energy.

Pete
 

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