Einstein's Riddle: Who Has the Fish?

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The discussion revolves around Einstein's riddle, "Who has the fish?", which presents a logic puzzle involving five houses, each with distinct characteristics such as color, nationality, drink, cigarette brand, and pet. Participants share their experiences in solving the riddle, including the time taken and methods used, while also reflecting on the implications of Einstein's claim that only 2% of the population could solve it.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants report successfully solving the riddle in varying times, ranging from 10 to 50 minutes.
  • Several participants express skepticism about Einstein's claim regarding the 2% solvability rate, suggesting that the forum's demographic may skew higher in problem-solving ability.
  • Some participants describe their methods, including drawing schematics and making assumptions to eliminate possibilities based on the clues provided.
  • There is discussion about the Flynn effect, with some participants arguing that it indicates an increase in average intelligence over generations, while others question the implications of this effect on IQ measurements.
  • One participant suggests that the riddle may not be as challenging as claimed, noting that they have not encountered anyone who could not solve it.
  • Some participants mention that solving the riddle is straightforward, while others indicate that they had to make assumptions to reach a solution.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of Einstein's claim about the 2% solvability rate, with multiple competing views on the implications of the Flynn effect and the perceived difficulty of the riddle. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the broader applicability of the riddle's challenge to the general population.

Contextual Notes

Some participants note that the average IQ is defined to be 100, which complicates discussions about the Flynn effect and intelligence over time. There are also unresolved questions about the methods of solving the riddle and the assumptions made during the process.

  • #61
At least he acknowledges and confronts his assumptions. I suppose then you could say something along the lines of, "we can determine logically that we don't know what kind of pet the German has, and based on the assumption that the missing fifth pet is a fish, we can determine that the German has fish".

The thing is, very few people recognize the assumption being made. I think it's a really important thing to note, because everyday we draw conclusions about situations, events and other people based on the information we are provided with. And everyday we make assumptions based on that information at hand. Many of us might then swear that something is absolute, without realizing that at some point along the line, an assumption was made which wasn't attached to any given fact, and as such, our conclusions about the situation, event or person could well be wrong!

That's what I've taken away from the riddle anyway, because I thought it was the German as well; it never occurred to me that the fifth pet might in fact NOT be a fish!

Anyway, we're all assuming Einstein did indeed write the riddle - I haven't found any concrete evidence to prove that he did so, but admittedly I haven't looked very hard for it - does anyone else know where and when it appeared?

The general acceptance is that he wrote it in the early part of the 20th century, but I cannot find out how and where it appeared. I'd be really interested to see what the original script is - which I "assume" will be in German? :-)
 
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  • #62
asti said:
But like everyone else, I did the chart thing :-) I found the correct answer here:

http://www.amazeingart.com/fun/einstein-quiz.html


well this is nothing but a spoof. you get loads of such things on the net, such people are out there only with the aim to belittle any and everything.

the assumption to be made is more than obvious. i mean, einstein was a genius, and he won't go around asking stupid questions.
 
  • #63
Took me about 15 min. I did use a drawing and wrote the clues down, etc.

If the nonsense about not knowing pet 5 is a fish, that's just silly. These kind of logic problems are well known and by every example I've ever seen the 'assumption' the 5th pet is a fish is obvious and trivial. The 'trick' is stupid, if it's supposedly the 'real' answer.

Though I do doubt Einstein actually wrote this. But who knows. Maybe he liked logic puzzles. :smile:
 
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  • #64
note... the word, keeping, was the popular way of saying "owning" when Einstine was in his heyday.
My Grandfather always said that he kept dogs, never that he owned dogs.
 
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  • #65
Einstein wrote this riddle last century and said that 98% of the world’s population would not be able to solve it.

Are you a part of that 98%?

* There are 5 houses that are each a different colour.

* There is a person of a different nationality in each house.

* The 5 owners drink a certain drink. They each smoke a certain brand of cigarettes and also have a certain pet. No owner has the same pet, smokes the same brand of cigarettes nor drinks the same drink.

The question is. “Who has the fish?”


* The 5 owners drink a certain drink. They each smoke a certain brand of cigarettes and also have a certain pet. No owner has the same pet, smokes the same brand of cigarettes nor drinks the same drink.

The question is. “Who has the fish?”

I think that's pretty obvious to draw out that each one has a pet .
 
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