Einstein's 'Spooky Physics' Gets More Entangled

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The discussion revolves around the implications of a recent article and paper regarding entangled mechanical oscillators, exploring concepts of quantum mechanics such as entanglement and superposition. Participants examine the feasibility of mechanical systems exhibiting quantum behaviors and their potential to carry classical information.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants question whether the information channel in the discussed system is stable for multiple excitations and if it can carry classical information.
  • One participant highlights the distinction between mechanical oscillators and quantum systems, expressing skepticism about how a mechanical oscillator can be entangled in the quantum mechanical sense.
  • Another participant argues that there is no fundamental difference between mechanical oscillators and photons in a cavity, suggesting that superposition is possible.
  • Concerns are raised about the use of ions in the experiments, with a suggestion that true experiments should involve micromechanical resonators instead.
  • There is speculation about the timeline for achieving entanglement in micromechanical systems, with one participant estimating it could be within 2-3 years.
  • Questions are posed regarding whether mechanical systems could pass the Bell test, with considerations about insulation and the challenges posed by low eigenfrequencies.
  • Participants note that performing a Bell-type test on two mechanical resonators would require more complex setups due to the need for tunable parameters.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of mechanical oscillators and their ability to exhibit quantum behaviors, indicating that multiple competing perspectives remain unresolved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention limitations related to the isolation of systems from their environment and the technical challenges in achieving entanglement in mechanical systems, which may depend on various factors such as the number of constituents and degrees of freedom involved.

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"Einstein's 'Spooky Physics' Gets More Entangled"

I wanted to just prompt a discussion about what is happening in this interesting article.

Does this mean the information channel is stable for multiple excitations? And can the channel carry classical information?

Feel free to point out other interesting interpretations on this article.

http://www.livescience.com/strangenews/090603-maco-entanglement.html
 
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Here is a link to the paper itself:

Entangled Mechanical Oscillators

Abstract:

Hallmarks of quantum mechanics include superposition and entanglement. In the context of large complex systems, these features should lead to situations like Schrödinger's cat, which exists in a superposition of alive and dead states entangled with a radioactive nucleus. Such situations are not observed in nature. This may simply be due to our inability to sufficiently isolate the system of interest from the surrounding environment -- a technical limitation. Another possibility is some as-of-yet undiscovered mechanism that prevents the formation of macroscopic entangled states. Such a limitation might depend on the number of elementary constituents in the system or on the types of degrees of freedom that are entangled. One system ubiquitous to nature where entanglement has not been previously demonstrated is distinct mechanical oscillators. Here we demonstrate deterministic entanglement of separated mechanical oscillators, consisting of the vibrational states of two pairs of atomic ions held in different locations. We also demonstrate entanglement of the internal states of an atomic ion with a distant mechanical oscillator.
 


DrChinese said:
Here is a link to the paper itself:

Entangled Mechanical Oscillators

We also demonstrate entanglement of the internal states of an atomic ion with a distant mechanical oscillator.

But a mechanical oscillator has no superposition, no HUP - its a spring or similar. I don't understand how this can be entangled in the QM sense.
 


It is a resonator, there is no fundamental difference between this system an e.g. photons in a cavity; the basic Hamiltonian is the same. There is no reason why it wouldn't be possible to put it into a superposition.

However, I must say the authors of this paper are "cheating" a bit by using ions. Ideally one should perform this experiment using two micromechanical resonators (i.e. literary two vibrating beams).
Some research groups are already getting close to the point where they can put one such resonator in its ground state; and entanglement should follow quite soon after (my guess would be that it is 2-3 years away).
 


f95toli said:
It is a resonator, there is no fundamental difference between this system an e.g. photons in a cavity; the basic Hamiltonian is the same. There is no reason why it wouldn't be possible to put it into a superposition.

However, I must say the authors of this paper are "cheating" a bit by using ions. Ideally one should perform this experiment using two micromechanical resonators (i.e. literary two vibrating beams).
Some research groups are already getting close to the point where they can put one such resonator in its ground state; and entanglement should follow quite soon after (my guess would be that it is 2-3 years away).

I don't get it. Would a mechanical system pass the Bell test?
 


LaserMind said:
I don't get it. Would a mechanical system pass the Bell test?

I guess that would depend on how well you manage to insulate it. Although mechanical systems might actually be easier in some ways to insulate than e.g. electrical systems (solid state qubits etc; where a Bell-type test is not far away) since they are phonon-driven meaning they can be cooled to very low temperatures. The main problem at the moment is that their eigenfrequencies are very low (at least for nano/micromechanical systems), usually in the MHz regime meaning they are too easily excited.

Also, note that it would probably not be possible to peform a Bell-type test on two mechanical resonators; something more complicated would be needed since one need a couple of "knobs" that can tune the system and be used for state preparation; i.e. some tunable anaharmonicity is needed.
 

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