Eisenstein's Criterion question.

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The discussion revolves around Eisenstein's Criterion and its application to specific polynomial irreducibility questions. Participants explore methods for demonstrating irreducibility over the rational numbers (Q) and factorization techniques for given polynomials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant asks how to show that the polynomial x^43 + 43x + 85 is irreducible over Q using a substitution.
  • Another participant suggests substituting (x+1) for x and questions whether the resulting polynomial satisfies Eisenstein's Criterion.
  • A participant reflects on their understanding of the substitution and realizes that it helps demonstrate that all coefficients of x of order between 42 and 1 are multiples of 43, thus satisfying Eisenstein's Criterion.
  • There is a correction regarding the second question, where the leading term was initially misstated, and a participant suggests a substitution y=x^8 to simplify the factorization process.

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Participants appear to be exploring the application of Eisenstein's Criterion with some agreement on the substitution method, but the discussion remains open regarding the factorization of the second polynomial, with no consensus reached.

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The discussion includes corrections to the problem statements and assumptions about the polynomials involved, which may affect the approaches taken by participants.

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Hello,

I have a couple questions concerning Eisenstein's Criterion;

1) by making a substitution of the form x |-> x + a, show x^43 + 43x + 85 is irreducible over Q.

2) completely factorize into monic irreducible factors over Q for x^36 + 36x^8 - 405.I've only come across other examples to these which could be solved by recognizing that the polynomial resembled something similar to the binomial expansion of the form (x + 1)^n, but in these cases I cannot see how that would work.

Help would be, as always, much appreciated:)

(edit: sorry, only the first question is concerned with E's criterion, but help for either would be fantastic:])
 
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Hi Omukara! :smile:

For (1), what happens to the polynomial after you substitute (x+1) for x. Does that polynomial satisfy Eisensteins criterion?
 
hmm, I did consider (x+1)^43 + 43(x+1) + 85 at one point, but my lack of intuition makes it hard for me to understand why we make the substitution, since, if I'm not mistaken; if we take the prime p=43, immediately we can see E's criterion is satisfied.

Ah, I think I just had a light bulb moment after reading your comment a few more times:) we make the substitution to explicitly show that for all the coefficients of x of order between 42 and 1, E's criterion is satisfied since all such coefficients in (x+1)^43 will be a multiple of 43. So it follows that if it is irreducible for the substituion x+1, it is irreducible for x

Thank you so much!^_^EDIT: Just realized I wrote down the question incorrectly for question 2), the leading x was supposed to be of order 16, so it's more do-able now. Apologies!
 
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Omukara said:
EDIT: Just realized I wrote down the question incorrectly for question 2), the leading x was supposed to be of order 16, so it's more do-able now. Apologies!

That doesn't only make it more doable, that makes it quite easy! First, do a substitution y=x8. You'll obtain a quadratic equation, and these kind of equations are easy to factorize!
 

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