Elastic Collision - Symbolic Question

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The problem involves an elastic collision scenario between a small ball and a large ball, where the small ball is dropped after the large ball. The context is centered around understanding the dynamics of elastic collisions, particularly in relation to their velocities before and after the collision.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the implications of analyzing the problem in different frames of reference, particularly the center of mass frame. Questions arise regarding the understanding of elastic collisions and the specific terms used in the discussion.

Discussion Status

Some participants are seeking clarification on the concepts presented, indicating a lack of familiarity with the terminology. Hints have been provided regarding the use of conservation of energy and the nature of elastic collisions, but there is no explicit consensus on the interpretations or methods to proceed.

Contextual Notes

There is an assumption that the mass of the large ball is significantly greater than that of the small ball, which may influence the dynamics of the collision. Participants are also navigating the complexities of the problem without complete information on the expected outcomes.

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Homework Statement



Suppose you hold a small ball of mass m1 in contact with, and directly over, the center of mass of a large ball of mass m2. If you then drop the small ball a short time after dropping the large ball, the small ball rebounds with surprising speed. If we ignore air resistance and assume the large ball makes an elastic collision with the floor and then makes an elastic collision with the still descending small ball and that large ball has much larger mass than the small ball then:

a) If the velocity of the small ball immediately before the collision is v, what is the velocity of the large ball? (in terms of v)

b) What is the velocity of the small ball immediately after its collision with the large ball? (in terms of v)

c) What is the ratio of the small ball's rebound distance to the distance it fell before the collision? (a number)

Homework Equations



1/2mv^2 + mgh = 1/2mv^2 + mgh
Elastic collision: V1 = -V2

The Attempt at a Solution



a. -V
b. ?
c. ?
 
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Hint: Analyze the problem in the center of mass frame, then transform back to the lab frame. (Assume m2 >> m1.)
 
That...doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Pardon my lack of knowledge, but I'm not really familiar with the terms you were using, Doc Al.
 
kanavulator said:
That...doesn't make a bit of sense to me. Pardon my lack of knowledge, but I'm not really familiar with the terms you were using, Doc Al.
No problem. Sometimes problems are easier to solve in certain frames of reference--but let's forget that for the moment.

What do you know about elastic collision?

kanavulator said:
1/2mv^2 + mgh = 1/2mv^2 + mgh
You'll need this for part c.

Elastic collision: V1 = -V2
What does this mean? If you mean the relative velocity reverses: Great! Use it.

The Attempt at a Solution



a. -V
Assuming you meant -v (the same v as the small ball): Good!

Here's a hint for part b: If a ping pong ball hits a bowling ball, what happens to the velocity of the bowling ball? (To a good approximation.)
 

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