Elastic collision with Conservation of momentum problem?

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In an elastic collision involving two titanium spheres, one sphere with a mass of 0.3 kg remains at rest after colliding with another sphere. The mass of the second sphere is determined to be 0.1 kg based on conservation of momentum and energy principles. The center of mass speed of the two spheres is calculated using the formula for the velocity of the center of mass, which incorporates both masses and their velocities. The confusion arises from the interpretation of the final velocity of the stationary sphere, but it is clarified that the momentum of the system is conserved regardless of the individual velocities post-collision. A positive result for the center of mass speed indicates the direction of motion, while a negative value would indicate motion in the opposite direction.
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elastic collision with Conservation of momentum problem?

i need help with part b.

Two titanium spheres approach each other head-on with the same speed and collide elastically, After the collision, one of the spheres, whose mass (m1) is .3 kg, remains at rest.

(a) What is the mass of the other sphere?
(b) Assume that the initial speed of each sphere was 2.0 m/s. What is the speed of the two-sphere center of mass?

a)
I know i did part a correctly. here's what i did:

momentum is conserved: m1 * u - m2 * u = m2 * v
or (m1 - m2) * u = m2 * v
Also, for an elastic head-on collision, we know that the
relative velocity of approach = relative velocity of separation
(from conservation of energy), or, for this problem,
2u = v
Then
(m1 - m2) * u = m2 * 2u
m1 - m2 = 2 * m2
m1 = 3 * m2
m1 is the sphere that remained at rest (hence its absence from the RHS), so
m2 = 0.3kg / 3
m2 = 0.1 kg

b) this part confuses me, here's what i did

(m1 - m2) * u = m2 * v
(.3kg - .1kg)(2.0m/s) = .1kg * v
.4 kg = .1 v
v = 4 m/s

What my teacher did:
(.3g - .1g) * 2.0m/s = (.3g + .1g) * v

I understand the left hand side but i don't get the right hand side. Why is m1 added to m2 when m1 is at rest which makes its v = zero??

v = +1.00m/s

since the answer is positive, what does that mean? Also, if v was -1.00m/s what would that mean?

thanks!
 
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Your teacher used this:
v_{CM}=\frac{m_1v_1+m_2v_2}{m_1+m_2}
v_{CM} is the velocity of center of mass.
 


Pranav-Arora said:
Your teacher used this:
v_{CM}=\frac{m_1v_1+m_2v_2}{m_1+m_2}
v_{CM} is the velocity of center of mass.

I know he uses that formula but shouldn't m1 be zero since its final v is zero because it's at rest?
 


nchin said:
I know he uses that formula but shouldn't m1 be zero since its final v is zero because it's at rest?

If you carefully look at the formula i posted, the numerator is the linear momentum of the system. Here, since the momentum is conserved, the numerator does not change. Your teacher used this and found momentum of system before collision which saved him from doing more steps. Even if you find the final velocities after the collision and substitute it in the formula, you get the same answer as your teacher.
 
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