Elastic collision with Conservation of momentum problem?

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The discussion revolves around an elastic collision problem involving two titanium spheres. The original poster seeks assistance with part b of the problem, which involves calculating the speed of the center of mass after the collision, given that one sphere remains at rest post-collision.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

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  • The original poster attempts to apply conservation of momentum and energy principles to solve for the mass of the second sphere and the speed of the center of mass. They express confusion regarding the teacher's method of calculating the center of mass speed, particularly questioning the inclusion of the mass of the stationary sphere in the momentum calculation.

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Participants are exploring different interpretations of the problem and the application of formulas related to momentum and center of mass. Some guidance has been provided regarding the conservation of momentum and the significance of the center of mass velocity formula, but no consensus has been reached on the original poster's confusion about the teacher's approach.

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The original poster indicates uncertainty about the implications of the calculated speed being positive or negative, as well as the treatment of the stationary sphere in the momentum equation. There is an underlying assumption that the conservation laws apply uniformly in this elastic collision scenario.

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elastic collision with Conservation of momentum problem?

i need help with part b.

Two titanium spheres approach each other head-on with the same speed and collide elastically, After the collision, one of the spheres, whose mass (m1) is .3 kg, remains at rest.

(a) What is the mass of the other sphere?
(b) Assume that the initial speed of each sphere was 2.0 m/s. What is the speed of the two-sphere center of mass?

a)
I know i did part a correctly. here's what i did:

momentum is conserved: m1 * u - m2 * u = m2 * v
or (m1 - m2) * u = m2 * v
Also, for an elastic head-on collision, we know that the
relative velocity of approach = relative velocity of separation
(from conservation of energy), or, for this problem,
2u = v
Then
(m1 - m2) * u = m2 * 2u
m1 - m2 = 2 * m2
m1 = 3 * m2
m1 is the sphere that remained at rest (hence its absence from the RHS), so
m2 = 0.3kg / 3
m2 = 0.1 kg

b) this part confuses me, here's what i did

(m1 - m2) * u = m2 * v
(.3kg - .1kg)(2.0m/s) = .1kg * v
.4 kg = .1 v
v = 4 m/s

What my teacher did:
(.3g - .1g) * 2.0m/s = (.3g + .1g) * v

I understand the left hand side but i don't get the right hand side. Why is m1 added to m2 when m1 is at rest which makes its v = zero??

v = +1.00m/s

since the answer is positive, what does that mean? Also, if v was -1.00m/s what would that mean?

thanks!
 
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Your teacher used this:
[tex]v_{CM}=\frac{m_1v_1+m_2v_2}{m_1+m_2}[/tex]
[itex]v_{CM}[/itex] is the velocity of center of mass.
 


Pranav-Arora said:
Your teacher used this:
[tex]v_{CM}=\frac{m_1v_1+m_2v_2}{m_1+m_2}[/tex]
[itex]v_{CM}[/itex] is the velocity of center of mass.

I know he uses that formula but shouldn't m1 be zero since its final v is zero because it's at rest?
 


nchin said:
I know he uses that formula but shouldn't m1 be zero since its final v is zero because it's at rest?

If you carefully look at the formula i posted, the numerator is the linear momentum of the system. Here, since the momentum is conserved, the numerator does not change. Your teacher used this and found momentum of system before collision which saved him from doing more steps. Even if you find the final velocities after the collision and substitute it in the formula, you get the same answer as your teacher.
 

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