Elastic Potential Energy - Positive or Negative?

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The discussion centers on understanding the calculation of elastic potential energy (PE) and the signs associated with force functions. The user integrates the force function but receives a negative value, leading to confusion about the positive change in potential energy. Clarification is provided that the force function used should represent the force exerted by the user stretching the spring, not the spring's restoring force. The analogy of lifting an object against gravity is used to illustrate how work can be negative while potential energy increases. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correctly identifying the forces involved in the calculations.
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Q: To stretch a certain nonlinear spring by an amount x requires a force F given by F = 40x - 6x2, where F is in newtons and x is in meters. What is the change in potential energy when the spring is stretched 2 meters from its equilibrium position?
Relevant Equations
F=-kd
INT [-F ]dx = ΔPE
So I understand that I have to integrate the negative of the force function to get the change in PE. I get -(20x^2 - 2x^3) and when I evaluate it from 0 to 2, I get -64N. But, of course, the change is positive. What am I missing?

Thank you.
 
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Make a sketch showing the sign of the directions.Then check your equations.
 
BvU said:
Make a sketch showing the sign of the directions.Then check your equations.
So the Fs is negative (b/c moving back to 0) and I take the negative integral of the negative function?
 
In the formula,
$$\Delta PE = -\int_{x_0}^x F_{\rm s}(x)\,dx,$$ the force ##F_{\rm s}## is the force exerted by the spring. If you reread the problem statement, the force function ##F(x)## is the force exerted by you (or whatever/whomever is doing the stretching) to stretch the spring.

It's like if you do 10 J of work to lift an object and increase its potential energy by the same amount, the work gravity does is negative because gravity pulls downward but the displacement of the object points upward.
 
amandela said:
I get -64N
N?

Btw, I'd prefer it said "relaxed" position, not equilibrium position. If there is a weight hanging from it they are different.
 
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vela said:
In the formula,
$$\Delta PE = -\int_{x_0}^x F_{\rm s}(x)\,dx,$$ the force ##F_{\rm s}## is the force exerted by the spring. If you reread the problem statement, the force function ##F(x)## is the force exerted by you (or whatever/whomever is doing the stretching) to stretch the spring.

It's like if you do 10 J of work to lift an object and increase its potential energy by the same amount, the work gravity does is negative because gravity pulls downward but the displacement of the object points upward.
OK. Thank you.
 
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