Elastic Potential Energy - Positive or Negative?

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The discussion centers on the calculation of elastic potential energy (PE) using the formula ΔPE = -∫ F_s(x) dx, where F_s is the force exerted by the spring. A participant correctly identifies that integrating the negative force function yields a change in potential energy of -64 N, but clarifies that the change in energy is positive due to the direction of work done against the spring force. The conversation emphasizes the importance of distinguishing between the force exerted by the spring and the force applied to stretch it, as well as the terminology used to describe the spring's position.

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Q: To stretch a certain nonlinear spring by an amount x requires a force F given by F = 40x - 6x2, where F is in newtons and x is in meters. What is the change in potential energy when the spring is stretched 2 meters from its equilibrium position?
Relevant Equations
F=-kd
INT [-F ]dx = ΔPE
So I understand that I have to integrate the negative of the force function to get the change in PE. I get -(20x^2 - 2x^3) and when I evaluate it from 0 to 2, I get -64N. But, of course, the change is positive. What am I missing?

Thank you.
 
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Make a sketch showing the sign of the directions.Then check your equations.
 
BvU said:
Make a sketch showing the sign of the directions.Then check your equations.
So the Fs is negative (b/c moving back to 0) and I take the negative integral of the negative function?
 
In the formula,
$$\Delta PE = -\int_{x_0}^x F_{\rm s}(x)\,dx,$$ the force ##F_{\rm s}## is the force exerted by the spring. If you reread the problem statement, the force function ##F(x)## is the force exerted by you (or whatever/whomever is doing the stretching) to stretch the spring.

It's like if you do 10 J of work to lift an object and increase its potential energy by the same amount, the work gravity does is negative because gravity pulls downward but the displacement of the object points upward.
 
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amandela said:
I get -64N
N?

Btw, I'd prefer it said "relaxed" position, not equilibrium position. If there is a weight hanging from it they are different.
 
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vela said:
In the formula,
$$\Delta PE = -\int_{x_0}^x F_{\rm s}(x)\,dx,$$ the force ##F_{\rm s}## is the force exerted by the spring. If you reread the problem statement, the force function ##F(x)## is the force exerted by you (or whatever/whomever is doing the stretching) to stretch the spring.

It's like if you do 10 J of work to lift an object and increase its potential energy by the same amount, the work gravity does is negative because gravity pulls downward but the displacement of the object points upward.
OK. Thank you.
 

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