Electric Circuits: Current Source & EMF

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the roles of current sources and voltage sources (emf) in electric circuits. Participants explore the relationship between current, voltage, and the behavior of electrons within circuits, addressing conceptual misunderstandings and terminology issues.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that the electric current is dictated by the current source and preserved by the emf, but expresses uncertainty about this understanding.
  • Another participant questions the meaning of "preserved by the emf," seeking clarification on the roles of current and voltage sources.
  • A participant attempts to clarify that the current source dictates the current and that the emf sets potentials for electrons to move, but later doubts their own explanation.
  • There is confusion about the terminology, with one participant suggesting that referring to a voltage source as a voltage generator might help clarify the discussion.
  • Another participant states that the voltage determines the current in a circuit and mentions Ohm's Law (I=V/R) to illustrate the relationship between voltage and current.
  • One participant notes that the electric field pushes electrons in the circuit and relates voltage to the electric field, indicating a conceptual link between these ideas.
  • A later reply emphasizes that a generator produces a difference in electric potential, which in turn causes current based on circuit resistance, suggesting a distinction between potential and current generation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various interpretations of the roles of current and voltage sources, with no consensus reached on the definitions or relationships. Confusion about terminology and concepts is evident, indicating that multiple competing views remain.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express uncertainty about the "jobs" of current and voltage sources, and there are indications of missing assumptions regarding the definitions of terms used in the discussion. The conversation reflects a mix of technical understanding and confusion, particularly regarding the relationship between voltage, current, and electric potential.

MartinV05
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I've been going through some materials, and I was reading about electric circuits. From what I read I figured that the electric current is dictated by the current source, and it's preserved(in the respectable branches) by the emf. Is that right? Or my feeling that I'm way off is true :)
 
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What do you mean by saying the current is preserved by the emf?
 
I meant something like this: Somewhere in the circuit a current source dictates the current, and for it to be continuous in the near branches the emf sets high/low potentials for the electrons to continue moving in the ones where the emf is set. But I don't think that it is right at all when I see it now.
 
And I guess I meant voltage source by emf :)
 
MartinV05 said:
I meant something like this: Somewhere in the circuit a current source dictates the current, and for it to be continuous in the near branches the emf sets high/low potentials for the electrons to continue moving in the ones where the emf is set. But I don't think that it is right at all when I see it now.

I'm not an expert on electric circuits, so maybe that's why I'm a little confused. What do you mean by "continuous in the near branches"?
 
I guess I don't mean anything, I just don't get the "jobs" of each in a electric circuit. If the question is: "What does a current source do in a circuit, and what does a voltage source do?", would be clearer to understand?
 
MartinV05 said:
I guess I don't mean anything, I just don't get the "jobs" of each in a electric circuit. If the question is: "What does a current source do in a circuit, and what does a voltage source do?", would be clearer to understand?

I think you are just using terms I am unfamiliar with lol.
I know that the voltage determines the current in a circuit, and that the configuration of the components on the circuit determines the amount of voltage and current in each part. The voltage source IS the current source.

With a basic circuit, when you apply a higher voltage you get a higher current, as I=V/R will tell you. (50v/2ohms=25 amps, whereas 100/2=50 amps)
 
Voltage source is denoted with E, and current source with I. Maybe referring to it as voltage generator, electric generator will clear something out. However, E=U=I*R [V], I= [A]. English is not my mother tongue so it's difficult for me to find the right terms.
 
The electrons in the circuit are pushed by the Electric field. And Voltage is related to the Electric field.
 
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MartinV05 said:
Voltage source is denoted with E, and current source with I. Maybe referring to it as voltage generator, electric generator will clear something out. However, E=U=I*R [V], I= [A]. English is not my mother tongue so it's difficult for me to find the right terms.

I think I can explain the basics. They might not be 100% correct in the details, but it should be good overall.


The Electric Field generated by a source is denoted as E. For our purposes discussing circuits we can effectively ignore it. Simply knowing the voltage applied to a circuit is enough.

I is the value of the current, measured in amperes, not the current source. Current is caused by a difference in electric potential, which is measured in Volts. A generator doesn't produce current, it produces a different in electric potential which then produces the current based on the resistance of the circuit. Applying a voltage to the beginning of the circuit indroduces a force, the EMF, which then propegates down the circuit as electrons move away from that force.

That's the way I understand it. I hope that is correct.
 

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