Electrochemistry and liquid junctions

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the electrochemical cell involving platinum, hydrogen gas, hydrobromic acid, silver bromide, and silver. Participants explore the role of liquid junctions in the context of the reactions occurring in the cell, particularly focusing on why a liquid junction may not be necessary given the presence of insoluble AgBr.

Discussion Character

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a liquid junction is not necessary, noting that AgBr is insoluble in water and that it coats the silver metal, leading to confusion about the interaction of Br- anions and H+ cations.
  • Another participant provides the net ionic reaction equation for the electrochemical process, detailing the half-reactions involved.
  • A subsequent reply challenges the accuracy of the net ionic equation, suggesting that the solution is saturated with AgBr, which contains minute amounts of Ag+. This participant argues that the reduction of Ag+ occurs directly on the electrode and that the slow dissolution of AgBr complicates the reaction dynamics.
  • Further clarification is sought regarding the concentration of H2 and Ag+ in the solution, with a participant expressing confusion about the kinetics of the reactions and their impact on cell potential.
  • Participants discuss the implications of the lack of mixing between H2 and Ag+ and Br- on the overall cell potential, questioning whether this justifies the absence of a liquid junction.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the necessity of a liquid junction and the dynamics of the reactions involved. There is no consensus on the implications of the interactions between the species in the solution and their effects on cell potential.

Contextual Notes

The discussion highlights limitations in understanding the kinetics of the reactions, the role of Ag+ concentration, and the assumptions regarding the saturation of the solution with AgBr. The complexity of the interactions and the slow processes involved are acknowledged but not resolved.

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I have Pt(s)/H2(g)/HBr(aq)/AgBr(s)/Ag(s)

The question asks why a liquid junction is not necessary. So I know AgBr is insoluble in water, and AgBr coats the silver metal. I just don't understand why it does not matter that the Br- anions from AgBr mixing with the H+ cations doesn't necessitate a liquid junction. Any help?
 
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Write net ionic reaction equation.
 
well the two half reactions are:
H2 --> 2H+ + 2e-
2AgBr(s) + 2e- --> Ag(s) + Br-

giving the net ionic equation:

H2 + 2AgBr --> 2H+ + 2Ag(s) + 2Br-

there are no spectator ions...
so...?
 
badbrain103 said:
H2 + 2AgBr --> 2H+ + 2Ag(s) + 2Br-

This is not exactly true. That is - what is really happening is that the solution is saturated with AgBr - so it contains some minute amounts of Ag+. This Ag+ gets reduced directly on the electrode. In theory it can also get reduced by hydrogen in the bulk of the solution, but as concentration of Ag+ is very small, this reaction would be pretty slow. Besides, once the Ag+ is removed from the solution, it has to saturate it again - this dissolution is another pretty slow process. Then, electrode is covered with wet AgBr in which transport of H2 is very slow (no mixing). Thus we can safely assume there is no hydrogen "below" AgBr, just solution containing Ag+ and Br-.
 
Ok sorry I haven't done electrochemistry in a long time and am a bit confused. So the solution is of AgBr mostly though it contains some small amount of H2 and Ag+ - this is because most of the Ag+ is reduced quickly, right?

Because the reaction between H2 and Ag+ is so slow, it is basically negligible and does not affect the cell potential at all, is this right?

What do you mean when you said the Ag+ is removed from the solution - that the majority of it is reduced to become Ag(s)?

But finally, because there is no mixing between H2 and the Ag+ and Br-, it is safe to assume that this does not affect the cell potential, thus why there is no need for a liquid junction?
 

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