Electrodynamics: Dirac Delta function and Gauss' divergence theorem

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The discussion revolves around the application of Gauss's divergence theorem in the context of electrodynamics, specifically regarding the Laplacian of the function \( \frac{1}{|\vec{x}|} \) in spherical coordinates and its implications for the Dirac delta function.

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  • Participants explore the integration of the Laplacian over a spherical surface and discuss the substitution of the gradient in the context of Gauss's theorem. There are questions about deriving a more general result involving the Dirac delta function and the implications of shifting coordinate systems.

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Some participants have provided guidance on substituting the gradient correctly and have referenced related threads for further exploration. There appears to be an ongoing examination of the mathematical expressions and their implications without a clear consensus on the final interpretation.

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There are mentions of typos in the mathematical expressions, indicating a need for precision in notation. Participants are also considering the implications of coordinate transformations in their reasoning.

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Homework Statement
Show that $$ \nabla ^ {2} (\frac{1}{|\vec{x}|}) = -4\pi \delta(\vec{x}) $$
Relevant Equations
Gauss's divergence theorem, Laplacian in spherical coordinates
Computing the Laplacian of ##(\frac{1}{|\vec{x}|})## in spherical coordinates I get 0 everywhere except at 0.
Now I want integrate the Laplacian over a spherical surface that encloses the origin. I do this using Gauss's divergence theorem, i.e $$ \iint_S \vec{F}.\vec{dA} = \iiint_V \nabla . F dV $$

Do I need to use ∇F here in substitution for F so that when I take the divergence of the gradient of F I get the Laplacian of F which is what I need?
need?
 
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lys04 said:
Now I want integrate the Laplacian over a spherical surface that encloses the origin. I do this using Gauss's divergence theorem, i.e $$ \iint_S \vec{F}.\vec{dA} = \iiint_V \nabla . F dV $$

Do I need to use ∇F here in substitution for F so that when I take the divergence of the gradient of F I get the Laplacian of F which is what I need?
need?
Yes. Well, you need to sub ##\nabla \dfrac 1 {|\vec x|}## for ##\vec F## in your integral equation.
 
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TSny said:
Yes. Well, you need to sub ##\nabla \dfrac 1 {|\vec x|}## for ##\vec F## in your integral equation.
Yes. That's what I did.
And to derive the more general result, i.e $$ \nabla (\frac{1}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x'}|}) = -4 \pi \delta (\vec{x}-\vec{x'})$$, do I just let ##\vec{x}-\vec{x'}## equal to some other vector say ##\vec{r}## and then using my previous result it gives me $$ \nabla (\frac{1}{|\vec{r}|}) = -4 \pi \delta (\vec{r})$$ so $$ \nabla (\frac{1}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x'}|}) = -4 \pi \delta (\vec{x}-\vec{x'})$$ is correct?
 
lys04 said:
And to derive the more general result, i.e $$ \nabla (\frac{1}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x'}|}) = -4 \pi \delta (\vec{x}-\vec{x'})$$
do I just let ##\vec{x}-\vec{x'}## equal to some other vector say ##\vec{r}## and then using my previous result it gives me $$ \nabla (\frac{1}{|\vec{r}|}) = -4 \pi \delta (\vec{r})$$ so $$ \nabla (\frac{1}{|\vec{x}-\vec{x'}|}) = -4 \pi \delta (\vec{x}-\vec{x'})$$ is correct?
Typos: ##\nabla## should be ##\nabla^2## in the expressions above. Otherwise, yes.

One way to think about it is to imagine shifting the origin of the coordinate system to the location of the charge, ##\vec x'##. Then, ##\vec x - \vec x'## in the original system becomes ##\vec x## in the new system. After evaluating ##\nabla^2 \dfrac 1 { |\vec x|}## in the new system you can shift back to the original coordinate system.
 
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You can use "\cdot" to write your dot products correctly.
 
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TSny said:
Typos: ∇ should be ∇2 in the expressions above. Otherwise, yes.
Oh yes, sorry about that.
TSny said:
One way to think about it is to imagine shifting the origin of the coordinate system to the location of the charge, x→′. Then, x→−x→′ in the original system becomes x→ in the new system. After evaluating ∇21|x→| in the new system you can shift back to the original coordinate system.
Ah, thats a good way of thinking about it.
 

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