Electromagnetic interactions and exchange particles

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Protons in a nucleus experience constant electromagnetic interactions mediated by virtual photons, which do not exist in the same way as real particles. The wavelength of these exchange photons is determined by the nature of the interaction, but they are considered virtual and do not stay within the nucleus. In proton-neutron collisions, neutral pions act as exchange particles, mediating a residual force between color-neutral states, while gluons serve as the gauge bosons for strong interactions. The concept of virtual particles, including photons, is often debated, as they are seen more as mathematical tools rather than entities that can be counted. Overall, the discussion highlights the complexities of particle interactions and the roles of various exchange particles in nuclear physics.
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Protons are in very close proximity with each other in a nucleus. This means there is constant electromagnetic interaction, of which the exchange particle is a photon. What determines the wavelength of this exchange photon? How do they exist in the nucleus: constantly being emitted, or staying inside the nucleus somehow?

Also, how can a neutral pion be an exchange particle in, say, a proton-neutron collision. Being a strong interaction, aren't gluons the gauge bosons?

I have a hard time thinking about this kind of stuff.
 
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ninjaduck said:
How do they exist in the nucleus: constantly being emitted, or staying inside the nucleus somehow?

They do not, most photon exchanges are virtual.

ninjaduck said:
Also, how can a neutral pion be an exchange particle in, say, a proton-neutron collision. Being a strong interaction, aren't gluons the gauge bosons?
The gluon is the gauge boson. Pions mediate a residual force between colourless states with internal colour structure.
 
Orodruin said:
They do not, most photon exchanges are virtual.The gluon is the gauge boson. Pions mediate a residual force between colourless states with internal colour structure.

Virtual, but still there and still existent surely. What happens to the photon?

I'm just going to research the pion question. Residual force, colourless states, colour structures...
 
ninjaduck said:
Virtual, but still there and still existent surely. What happens to the photon?
They exist in the hadrons in the same sense that gluons do, with the difference that gluons provide a larger part of the momentum when looking at the structure functions. You cannot say that a photon "exists" in the hadron.

You might as well ask what happens to the photon during electrostatic interaction between two charges.
 
Orodruin said:
They exist in the hadrons in the same sense that gluons do, with the difference that gluons provide a larger part of the momentum when looking at the structure functions. You cannot say that a photon "exists" in the hadron.

You might as well ask what happens to the photon during electrostatic interaction between two charges.

Would you mind if I asked that now?
 
ninjaduck said:
I'm just going to research the pion question. Residual force, colourless states, colour structures...

Not so difficult to research... All the quark bound states, like protons, neutrons etc, are color-neutral (they don't have a color charge)= colorless states. However their constituents (quarks, gluons) are colorful particles (they have a color charge) =internal color structures for Orodruin.
Now how does the color neutral proton interact with the color neutral proton/neutron through a strong interaction? (here comes the "pions' residual force").

As for the internal lines of the photons, they don't exist as photons. They are virtual particles. At the end, when you want to derive their total contribution, you integrate them out (that is what someone writes in Feynman Diagrams and not the actual process).
 
ninjaduck said:
Virtual, but still there and still existent surely.
There are good arguments to call them mathematical artifacts. That is not "existing" with the usual meaning of the word.
It's not like there would be some number of photons you could count.
 

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