Distinguishing between interactions (decays and collisions)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying the fundamental forces responsible for various particle interactions, specifically focusing on decay processes and collisions. Participants explore how to discern which interaction (strong, electromagnetic, weak, or gravitational) is at play based on the equations representing these interactions.

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  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions how to determine the responsible force for the interaction pi+ + pi- = neutron + pi0, suggesting it could be the strong force due to quark involvement, but also raises the possibility of electromagnetic force due to the charged nature of pions.
  • Another participant asserts that the proposed interaction violates baryon number conservation and angular momentum, claiming it cannot occur.
  • There is a discussion on distinguishing interactions, with one participant noting that beta decay involves quarks and leptons but is classified as a weak decay, prompting questions about how to differentiate between interactions.
  • A participant suggests a systematic approach to determine the responsible interaction by evaluating the possibility of strong, electromagnetic, or weak interactions based on the reaction's characteristics.
  • Another participant elaborates that the strong interaction is the dominant force if applicable, followed by electromagnetic, and then weak interactions if neither of the former can mediate the process.
  • There is a challenge to the claim that baryon number is only conserved by strong interactions, with one participant asserting that it is conserved by all Standard Model interactions, while another adds nuance regarding non-perturbative processes that can break baryon number conservation.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the conservation of baryon number and the conditions under which various interactions can occur. There is no consensus on the validity of the proposed interaction or the rules for determining the responsible force.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of interactions and conservation laws, indicating that the discussion involves nuanced interpretations of particle physics principles. The understanding of baryon number conservation appears to depend on the context of the interactions being discussed.

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I always struggle to know which force (strong nuclear, electromagnetic, weak, gravity) is responsible for an interaction. For example,

pi+ + pi- = neutron + pi0

I would say its strong force responsible, because quarks are involved. But the pions are also charged, so how do I know it's not electromagnetic force?

Or for example, take Beta decay. How would I know just from looking at the equation that it's the weak interaction? I know the exchange particle is a boson and thus it would be weak, but in an equation you are not given the exchange particle. Is there a general set of rules/characteristics of interaction equations through which you can tell which force is responsible?

Thanks
 
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Soffie said:
pi+ + pi- = neutron + pi0
This breaks baryon number and violates conservation of angular momentum. The process cannot occur.
 
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Orodruin said:
This breaks baryon number and violates comservation of angular momentum. The process cannot occur.
How do you know it's a strong interaction from the equation? (baryon no. only conserved if strong interaction) is it because quarks are involved?
But in beta decay it involves quarks and leptons, and it's a weak decay. How do you distinguish interactions from one another?
 
You have to start out by determining if a reaction is allowed or not. The reaction you wrote down cannot happen by any interaction.
 
Ok, so how about this interaction as an example:

e+ + e- = J/psi

How do I tell just from the equation what interaction is responsible?
 
Start with:

Can it be strong?
Can it be electromagnetic?
Can it be weak?
 
To expand the last answer: The strong interaction is the strongest interaction. If an interaction is possible via the strong interaction, this will (nearly always) dominate.
If something cannot happen via the strong interaction, then the electromagnetic interaction is the strongest remaining option. Same here.
If both strong and electromagnetic interaction cannot mediate the process, but the process is still possible, then it will happen via the weak interaction. This is always the case if neutrinos are involved, if individual leptons appear or disappear (but not in pairs), or if quark flavors change.
 
Soffie said:
(baryon no. only conserved if strong interaction)

Not true: it's conserved by every Standard Model interaction. You might be confusing it with quark flavour, which is conserved by the strong and electromagnetic forces.
 
dukwon said:
Not true: it's conserved by every Standard Model interaction.
Just to be complete, this does depend on what you consider a SM "interaction". For perturbative processes, it is true that the SM preserves baryon number. However, it should be mentioned that baryon number is generally not preserved and broken by non-perturbative processes related to the vacuum configuration that preserve B-L, but not B+L. Of course, I strongly doubt that this is what the OP had in mind and just as I am writing this I am realising that I was the one who brought up baryon number conservation in the first place ... :biggrin: (In my defence - the proposed interaction would also break B-L and Lorentz invariance ...)
 

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