Electromagnetic wave, energy and universe

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of electromagnetic waves, their energy, and implications for the universe's fate. Participants explore concepts related to the universe's boundaries, the potential for a cyclical universe, and the interplay between intuition and scientific evidence.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that all electromagnetic waves carry energy and suggest that much of this energy escapes the physical universe, potentially leading to a "cold" universe and an end scenario similar to entropy death.
  • Others propose that the loss of matter, including black holes, may not signify the end of the universe but could instead lead to a new big bang event, referencing conformal cyclic cosmology.
  • Concerns are raised about the unresolved nature of the universe's shape and boundaries, with some arguing that intuition suggests a finite universe, despite the lack of proof.
  • Some participants challenge the speculative nature of claims regarding the universe's boundaries and the escape of electromagnetic radiation, questioning the evidence supporting such assertions.
  • There is a contention regarding the validity of intuition in scientific reasoning, with some arguing that historical intuition has often been proven wrong, while others maintain that it is a necessary part of scientific speculation.
  • One participant expresses skepticism about cyclic cosmology, arguing that it conflicts with the second law of thermodynamics and challenges the conventional understanding of time.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the universe's boundaries, the implications of electromagnetic radiation, and the validity of intuition in scientific discourse. The discussion remains unresolved, with no consensus reached on these topics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the current understanding of cosmology, including the absence of definitive evidence for certain claims and the speculative nature of some arguments presented.

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All electromagnetic waves carry energy. We kno that most of the electromagnetic radiation escapes the boundary of the "physical(corporeal) Universe". Therefore, much of the energy is radiating out to the voids spreading beyond material universe. Thus, a great amount of energy is lost irreversibly making the material universe "cold" in sense of energy content. Could this scenario be the end of the Universe just as entropy death could be the likely end of the world?
 
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i don't think the science community has settled on the "shape", let alone the "edges", of our universe.
 
lovetruth said:
We kno that most of the electromagnetic radiation escapes the boundary of the "physical(corporeal) Universe".

What is this, and how do you know this?

Zz.
 
dipstik said:
i don't think the science community has settled on the "shape", let alone the "edges", of our universe.

The universe must end somewhere; there cannot be infinite matter extending the infinities of the space. I kno its not proven the universe is finite but, don't u think intuitively that universe must end somewhere although we are not capable of seeing its boundary.
Nice reply thou.
 
lovetruth said:
The universe must end somewhere; there cannot be infinite matter extending the infinities of the space. I kno its not proven the universe is finite but, don't u think intuitively that universe must end somewhere although we are not capable of seeing its boundary.
Nice reply thou.

Intuition has nothing to do with this. We have seen from history that our "intuition" has been proven wrong so many times. So falsifying something simply based on intuition is invalid.

I would still like to know where you come up with your initial scenario. Please do not ignore that request because it will determine if this is a valid discussion or purely speculative.

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
What is this, and how do you know this?

Zz.

Pure Intuition. In the absence of any evidence, we are always forced to speculate on basis of our previous experience. This is how science works, using the pattern to predict things. An infinite universe will mean infinite matter which is unconceivable by our current understanding. Our solar system has boundaries, so does the galaxies. By same analogy, universe must be finite however vast it is.
 
lovetruth said:
We kno that most of the electromagnetic radiation escapes the boundary of the "physical(corporeal) Universe".
This is some really speculative nonsense. None of the available evidence supports it.

IBTL
 
LostConjugate said:
All matter is expected to be radiated away, even black holes, far into the future. However it my not be the end of the Universe, it could lead to another big bang event.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conformal_Cyclic_Cosmology

Nice link.
But i doubt the cyclic cosmology is true because it violates the entropy law. If the theory is true, it would destroy our concept of time; the infinite loop of time would mean no starting and end of time. Big bang(more successful theory) says time has a beginning but no end.
 
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lovetruth said:
. In the absence of any evidence
There is not an absence of evidence regarding cosmology. Maybe you should actually learn some of it first.
 
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lovetruth said:
Pure Intuition. In the absence of any evidence, we are always forced to speculate on basis of our previous experience. This is how science works, using the pattern to predict things. An infinite universe will mean infinite matter which is unconceivable by our current understanding. Our solar system has boundaries, so does the galaxies. By same analogy, universe must be finite however vast it is.

Again, intuition has been proven wrong. You haven't used any kind of valid references to justify your scenario. This makes this thread highly speculative, and thus, in violation of the https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=414380" that you had agreed to.

This thread is done.

Zz.
 
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