Electron-positron annihilation, photon emission angle

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The discussion revolves around the topic of electron-positron annihilation and the emission angles of resulting photons, specifically in the context of conservation of four-momentum in a laboratory frame. Participants are examining the relationships between the energies and momenta of the particles involved in the annihilation process.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the application of conservation of four-momentum and question whether the original poster has fully utilized the vector nature of the equations. There are attempts to clarify the setup of the problem, including the identification of the four-momenta of the particles involved. Some participants suggest that more equations are needed to solve for the unknowns.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants providing guidance on how to approach the problem, including suggestions to eliminate variables and simplify equations. There is a recognition of the need to derive relationships between the energies and angles of the emitted photons, but no consensus has been reached on a final method or solution.

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Participants note that the problem involves multiple unknowns and equations, and there is a focus on ensuring that all conservation laws are appropriately applied. The original poster's assumptions about the setup and the definitions of the variables are also under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement
In the annihilation process ##e^+e^- \rightarrow \gamma \gamma##, seen in the reference system of the laboratory, in which the electron is stationary and the positron has energy E, it may happen that one of the two photons is emitted at right angles to the direction of incidence of the positron. Calculate, in this case, the energy and the scattering angle of the other photon.
Relevant Equations
Conservation of the four-momentum
I consider the laboratory system. The four momentums in this reference system are respectively:
##p^\mu = \big(\sqrt{|p|^2+m^2}, 0, 0, |p| \big)##
##p'^\mu= \big(m, 0, 0, 0 \big)##
##k^\mu = E\big(1, 0, 1, 0\big)##
##k'^\mu = E'\big(1, 0, -\sin \varphi, \cos \varphi \big)##

I used conservation of four-momentum:
##(k^\mu)^2=(p^\mu+p'^\mu-k'^\mu)^2##

And I find out that:

##E'=\frac{m^2+m\sqrt{|p|^2+m^2}}{m+\sqrt{|p|^2+m^2}-|p|\cos\varphi}##

But I still have two unknown variables...
 
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Frostman said:
I used conservation of four-momentum
Did you?
I'm not well versed in relativity, but I would have thought conservation of four-momentum was a vectorial equation, just as it is for 3D momentum. Looks to me like you only considered the norm conserved.
 
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haruspex said:
Did you?
I'm not well versed in relativity, but I would have thought conservation of four-momentum was a vectorial equation, just as it is for 3D momentum. Looks to me like you only considered the norm conserved.
Yes, I used the fact that the quantity ##p^\mu+p'^\mu = k^\mu+k'^\mu## must be equal both in the initial state and in the final state after that I elevated and got that relation.
 
Frostman said:
Yes, I used the fact that the quantity ##p^\mu+p'^\mu = k^\mu+k'^\mu## must be equal both in the initial state and in the final state after that I elevated and got that relation.
But surely you would have got more information than is represented in a single scalar equation? I'm probably missing something, but you seem to have, in scalar terms, four equations and three unknowns.

I'm also a bit confused by your four expressions for the four momenta. I assume they are intended to be, in order, positron, electron, gamma of known direction, gamma of unknown direction. But although E is given as the energy of the positron, E appears in your expression for a gamma, not in the expression for the positron.
 
As @haruspex says, you are missing too many equations here. You should have three equations: conservation of energy and momentum in the ##y## and ##z## directions, if that's what you are using.

First, you need to eliminate the angle and get an equation for the energy of the second photon, in terms of ##E## and ##m##.
 
PeroK said:
As @haruspex says, you are missing too many equations here. You should have three equations: conservation of energy and momentum in the ##y## and ##z## directions, if that's what you are using.

First, you need to eliminate the angle and get an equation for the energy of the second photon, in terms of ##E## and ##m##.

So, I'll start with writing the initial data correctly:

##p^\mu_{e^+} = \big(E, 0, 0, \sqrt{E^2-m^2} \big)##
##p^\mu_{e^-}= \big(m, 0, 0, 0 \big)##
##k^\mu_{\gamma_1} = E_1\big(1, 0, 1, 0\big)##
##k^\mu_{\gamma_2} = E_2\big(1, 0, -\sin \varphi, \cos \varphi \big)##

In the lab-frame, ##e^+## comes from left to right along z-axe.
In the lab-frame, ##e^-## is at rest.
In the lab-frame, ##\gamma_1## goes along y-axe, because, by hypothesis, it's emitted orthogonally to the ##e^+## direction.

I need to find ##E_2## and ##\varphi## for ##\gamma_2##.

If I used conservation of four-momentum, I would have:

##E: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ E+m=E_1+E_2##
##p_x: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ 0+0=0+0##
##p_y: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ 0+0=E_1-E_2\sin\varphi##
##p_z: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \sqrt{E^2-m^2}+0=0+E_2\cos \varphi##

Can we agree on this?
 
Frostman said:
So, I'll start with writing the initial data correctly:

##p^\mu_{e^+} = \big(E, 0, 0, \sqrt{E^2-m^2} \big)##
##p^\mu_{e^-}= \big(m, 0, 0, 0 \big)##
##k^\mu_{\gamma_1} = E_1\big(1, 0, 1, 0\big)##
##k^\mu_{\gamma_2} = E_2\big(1, 0, -\sin \varphi, \cos \varphi \big)##

In the lab-frame, ##e^+## comes from left to right along z-axe.
In the lab-frame, ##e^-## is at rest.
In the lab-frame, ##\gamma_1## goes along y-axe, because, by hypothesis, it's emitted orthogonally to the ##e^+## direction.

I need to find ##E_2## and ##\varphi## for ##\gamma_2##.

If I used conservation of four-momentum, I would have:

##E: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ E+m=E_1+E_2##
##p_x: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ 0+0=0+0##
##p_y: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ 0+0=E_1-E_2\sin\varphi##
##p_z: \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \ \sqrt{E^2-m^2}+0=0+E_2\cos \varphi##

Can we agree on this?
Yes. Now, how do you normally get rid of sines and cosines?
 
PeroK said:
Yes. Now, how do you normally get rid of sines and cosines?
Except, in this case, we need to find the angle too, so it might be simpler to start by collapsing sin and cos into a single trig function and eliminate the unknown energies instead?
 
haruspex said:
Except, in this case, we need to find the angle too, so it might be simpler to start by collapsing sin and cos into a single trig function and eliminate the unknown energies instead?
I calculated the energy first and it all comes out. It might be slightly messier to try to find the angle first.
 
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I can go for:

##E_1^2=E_2^2\sin^2\varphi##
##E^2-m^2=E_2^2\cos^2\varphi##

Adding these two equations and exploiting the energy conservation relation I get:

##E^2-m^2+E_1^2=E_2^2##

Remmebering:
##E_1 = E+m-E_2##
##E_1^2=E^2+m^2+E_2^2+2Em-2EE_2-2E_2m##

Replacing:
##E^2-m^2+E^2+m^2+E_2^2+2Em-2EE_2-2E_2m=E_2^2##

Result:
##E_2=\frac{E^2+Em}{E+m}##

While for angle ##\varphi##

##\cos \varphi = \frac{\sqrt{E^2-m^2}}{E^2+Em}(E+m)=\frac{\sqrt{E^2-m^2}}{E}=\sqrt{1-\frac{m^2}{E^2}}##
 
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Frostman said:
Result
##E_2=\frac{E^2+Em}{E+m}##
That simplifies!

Frostman said:
##\cos \varphi = \frac{\sqrt{E^2-m^2}}{E^2+Em}(E+m)=\frac{\sqrt{E^2-m^2}}{E}=\sqrt{1-\frac{m^2}{E^2}}##

Why not use ##\sin \varphi##?
 
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PeroK said:
That simplifies!
Why not use ##\sin \varphi##?
I forgot to simplify, so:

##E_2=E##

And it's much easier to use ##\sin \varphi##
##\sin \varphi=\frac mE##

So I can notice, in this lab-frame, that ##\gamma_2## gets the same energy of ##e^+##, while ##\gamma_1## has, as energy, the mass of the ##e^-## at rest.
 
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Thank you so much for the help!
 
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You can avoid much of the algebra if you consider ##(p_{e^+}-k_1)^2 = (k_2 - p_{e^-})^2## to show that ##E_1 = (m/E) E_2##.
 
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