Electron-Proton Elastic Collision

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The discussion focuses on the derivation of the energy of an outgoing electron in an elastic collision with a proton, specifically using the formula E_f = E / (1 + (2E/Mc^2)sin^2(θ/2)). Key equations include energy conservation E = E_f + E_p and momentum conservation equations. The user initially misapplies the equations, leading to an incorrect negative energy result, but corrects their approach after receiving feedback. The final expression accurately reflects the relationship between the energies involved in the collision.

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Homework Statement



Consider the electron-proton elastic collision. Prove that the expression for the energy of the outgoing electron is

[tex]E_f= \frac{E}{1+(2E/Mc^2)sin^2(\theta /2)}[/tex]

where [itex]E_f[/itex] is the energy of the outgoing electron, [itex]E[/itex] is the energy of the incident electron, [itex]M[/itex] is the proton mass and [itex]\theta[/itex] is the scattering angle of the electron.

Homework Equations



[tex]E = E_f + E_p[/tex]
[tex]P = P_f cos(\theta) + P_p cos(\theta_p)[/tex]
[tex]0 = P_f sin(\theta) + P_p sin(\theta_p)[/tex]

[tex]E^2 = P^2 c^2 + M^2 c^4[/tex]

The Attempt at a Solution



Well, I have tried the following
[tex](P - P_f cos(\theta))^2 = (P_p cos(\theta_p))^2[/tex]

[tex](P_f sin(\theta))^2 = (P_p sin(\theta_p))^2[/tex]

Adding both we get

[tex]P_{p}^2 = (P-P_f cos(\theta))^2 + P_f^2 sin^2(\theta) = P^2 + P_i^2 - 2PP_f cos(\theta)[/tex]

Putting this into the energy equation for the proton we get

[tex]E_p^2 = (P^2 + P_{f}^2 - 2PP_f cos(\theta)) c^2 + M^2 c^4[/tex]

Assuming that [itex]E, E_f>>mc^2[/itex], so that we can ignore the electron mass, we get

[tex]E^2 = P^2 c^2[/tex]

[tex]E_p^2 = E^2 + E_{f}^2 - 2EE_f cos(\theta)+ M^2 c^4[/tex]

Using the fact that

[tex]E_p^2 = (E - E_f)^2 = E^2 + E_f^2 - 2EE_f[/tex]

we get
[tex]0 = 2EE_f - 2EE_f cos(\theta) + M^2 c^2 = 2EE_f (1-cos(\theta)) + M^2 c^4[/tex]

[tex]E_f = \frac{- M^2 c^4 }{2E(1-cos(\theta))} = \frac{- M^2 c^4 }{4E sin^2(\theta/2)}[/tex]

well, this is obvious wrong… it even gives a negative energy. What am I doing wrong? I have spent a lot of time looking for a mistake.

Thanks a lot for any suggestion
 
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It should be E+M=E_p+E_f
 
That's right. Thanks a lot for the suggestion it was very useful.
 

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