Electron radius/scattering experiments

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The discussion revolves around the maximum radius of the electron, focusing on experiments that aim to establish this parameter. Participants express interest in the methodologies and raw data from various experiments, particularly those that do not involve the Penning trap, which is primarily associated with measuring the gyromagnetic ratio.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants request links to experiments that establish the maximum radius of the electron, emphasizing the need for detailed explanations and raw data.
  • One participant argues against conceptualizing the electron as a classical particle, suggesting that ongoing experiments aim to determine the electron's shape, size, and charge distribution more precisely.
  • A participant discusses the quantum mechanical nature of the electron's charge, proposing that its size may be infinite or finite depending on external binding forces, and notes that scattering processes may be inelastic rather than elastic.
  • Another participant mentions that Penning trap experiments are typically used for accurate determinations of electron size, but they do not align with the original request for scattering experiments.
  • One participant shares a link to a paper by Bender et al. that may relate to the scattering aspect of the discussion.
  • A participant humorously relates their understanding of electron structure to a visual analogy, suggesting a connection to atomic resolution imagery.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express a variety of viewpoints regarding the nature of the electron and the experiments that can measure its radius. There is no consensus on the specific experiments to reference, and multiple competing views on the electron's properties and the implications of scattering processes remain unresolved.

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Some limitations include the dependence on definitions of electron size, the unresolved nature of scattering processes, and the varying interpretations of experimental results. The discussion reflects a mix of theoretical and experimental perspectives without definitive conclusions.

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could someone provide some links to some of the experiments that establish the maximum radius of the electron. preferably with some explanation of how it works and what the raw data was. google is not much use.

but not experiments like the penning trap that just measure g. (gyromagnetic ratio).
 
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hi there,

You cannot think of the electron as an Earth like particle spinning around the Sun. Therefore, some experiments are underway to determine more precisely the shape, size, and charge distribution of the electrons

Cheers
 
granpa said:
could someone provide some links to some of the experiments that establish the maximum radius of the electron. preferably with some explanation of how it works and what the raw data was.

As the electron is always in interaction with the quantized electromagnetic field, its charge is quantum mechanically smeared. See my publications on that: http://arxiv.org/abs/0806.2635 and http://arxiv.org/abs/0811.4416.

The smearing size may be infinite or finite, depending on external binding force. If there is no binding force, the size is infinite. That means there may not be elastic scattering. Any scattering is inelastic - you "break" the compound system initial state. You excite the internal degrees of freedom - photon oscillators. It is known that any scattering is accompanied with the soft radiation. The inclusive picture gives the Rutherford cross section as if the electron stayed at the center of inertia and were point-like.

The classical finite size, whatever it is, is misleading since even "point-like" electron is needed an infinitely long "hands" to interact, so strictly speaking the finite size notion is applicable only to neural bodies.

Bob.
 
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I believe the typical arguments about the electron size are from penning trap experiments as they provide a more accurate determination.

For the scattering side of the argument, you might like to check out this paper: http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PRD/v30/i3/p515_1 by Bender et al.
 
granpa said:
could someone provide some links to some of the experiments that establish the maximum radius of the electron. preferably with some explanation of how it works and what the raw data was. google is not much use.

but not experiments like the penning trap that just measure g. (gyromagnetic ratio).

I,m sure this is in no way quite what your asking about, but to me it is impressive and helps to make a picture in my mind, that orbital or wave, the final object is a group of spheres and they look so much like corn on the cob, I'm getting hungry looking at it.
Seriously I thought the link might in some way lead to some other information you can use.:cool:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Atomic_resolution_Au100.JPG
 

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