Electrons, Muons and Pauli Exclusion

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The discussion centers on the application of lepton universality and the Pauli exclusion principle to systems involving electrons and muons, specifically in the context of dimuonic beryllium and muonic lithium. Participants explore whether the behavior of these particles in atomic orbitals aligns with the principles governing fermions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that lepton universality implies that electrons, muons, and taus behave similarly, raising the question of how this relates to the Pauli exclusion principle in dimuonic beryllium.
  • Another participant asserts that in dimuonic beryllium, all four particles (two muons and two electrons) can occupy s orbitals.
  • A third participant references the spin statistics theorem, indicating its applicability to all fermions, not just electrons.
  • One participant argues that the Pauli exclusion principle applies only to indistinguishable particles, noting that electrons and muons are distinguishable due to their differing masses.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

The discussion contains competing views regarding the application of the Pauli exclusion principle to systems involving electrons and muons, with no consensus reached on whether all particles can occupy the same orbital.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty regarding the implications of particle distinguishability on the application of the Pauli exclusion principle, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical or theoretical aspects of these claims.

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Lepton Universality and Pauli Exclusion

Put in a possibly oversimplified way, lepton universality says that electrons, muons, and taus all behave in the same way except for mass effects. The question is “Does this apply to Pauli exclusion?”

Due to the Pauli exclusion principle, only two electrons can be in the s orbital, and hence in the ground state of regular beryllium, two electrons are in the s orbital, and two electrons are in the p orbital. My question is what happens in the ground state of dimuonic beryllium, with two muons and two electrons. Are all four particles in s orbitals, or are two in s orbitals and two in p orbitals?

A similar question can be asked about muonic lithium, which would be easier to create experimentally.
i.e., in muonic lithium, with one electron replaced by a muon, can all three leptons be in the s orbital?
 
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jimgraber said:
Are all four particles in s orbitals

Yes.
 
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The Pauli exclusion principle applies to indistinguishable particles. Electrons and muons are distinguishable because of their different masses.
 
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