Emitting two photons in a single transition?

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The discussion revolves around the possibility of an atom emitting two photons in a single transition from an excited state to the ground state, specifically examining the mechanisms and conditions under which this might occur. Participants explore theoretical frameworks, experimental observations, and the implications of multiphoton emissions in atomic and nuclear physics.

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Main Points Raised

  • A participant questions why an atom in an excited state cannot emit two photons simultaneously, each with energy E/2, despite the absence of a mid-way atomic state.
  • Another participant suggests that two-photon processes can occur via virtual intermediate states that do not necessarily lie between the initial and final states.
  • A different participant references literature suggesting that two-photon emission is indeed possible and provides a link to a relevant paper.
  • Concerns are raised about the feasibility of emitting multiple photons, with one participant arguing that if two-photon emission is possible, then emissions of three or more photons could also occur, leading to a continuous spectrum, though the probability decreases with the number of photons emitted.
  • One participant provides a detailed explanation of the mechanisms involved in two-photon emission, including references to specific transitions and the role of multipolarities in atomic versus nuclear physics.
  • Another participant discusses the quantum mechanical calculations involved in estimating the rates of two-photon emissions and the contributions of various intermediate states.
  • It is noted that the contributions from different intermediate states, such as the 2p state, are significant but must consider all possible states in quantum mechanics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the likelihood and mechanisms of two-photon emission, with some supporting its possibility and others questioning the practicality and implications of such processes. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the exact conditions under which two-photon emission can occur and the probabilities involved.

Contextual Notes

Participants mention various assumptions related to multiphoton emissions, the role of intermediate states, and the dependence on quantum mechanical principles. There are references to specific transitions and the limitations of classical versus quantum mechanical descriptions.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to those studying atomic and nuclear physics, particularly in the context of photon emissions, quantum mechanics, and experimental observations related to multiphoton processes.

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A student asked me a question last night that stumped me. Suppose we have an atom in its first excited state A, and it's going to decay electromagnetically to the ground state B, losing energy E. We would expect this to occur through the emission of a photon with energy E. But what prevents it from emitting, say, two photons, each with energy E/2? Obviously this can't occur as a two-step process, since there isn't any atomic state mid-way between A and B. But I don't see why it can't occur as a one-step process. I certainly don't think we observe this in reality. My experience in research was in gamma-ray spectroscopy, and we never even considered such a possibility.

Is such a process possible in principle, but just very unlikely? If so, how would one estimate the probability? Are there conditions under which it might be observable?
 
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The necessary coupling would be something like ##\bar{\psi}\gamma^\mu A_\mu \gamma^\nu A_\nu \psi## which is not gauge-invariant. Two-photon processes can proceed via a virtual intermediate state ##C^*## which need not be between A and B (the 2s to 1s transition is an example).
 
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If a one step process can result in the emission of two photons then why why not three photons or four or five or a thousand and five etc? if this can happen there is the possibility that we could observe a continuous spectrum.This makes me think that if such multiphoton emission can occur the probability of it happening is extremely small and reduces further with number of photons.
 
bcrowell said:
A student asked me a question last night that stumped me. Suppose we have an atom in its first excited state A, and it's going to decay electromagnetically to the ground state B, losing energy E. We would expect this to occur through the emission of a photon with energy E. But what prevents it from emitting, say, two photons, each with energy E/2? Obviously this can't occur as a two-step process, since there isn't any atomic state mid-way between A and B. But I don't see why it can't occur as a one-step process. I certainly don't think we observe this in reality. My experience in research was in gamma-ray spectroscopy, and we never even considered such a possibility.

Is such a process possible in principle, but just very unlikely? If so, how would one estimate the probability? Are there conditions under which it might be observable?

Sure, this is possible. You can calculate the rate in second-order perturbation theory. I found http://cua.mit.edu/8.421_S06/Chapter9.pdf calculating the inverse process of two-photon absorption.
 
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I think I'm starting to understand this better. One thing that was misleading me was that in my field of nuclear physics, we deal with electromagnetic transitions that have lots of different multipolarities, whereas in atomic physics it's pretty much always assumed that everything is an E1.

The classic real-world example seems to be the 2s->1s transition in hydrogen, which is forbidden for an E1 transition due to parity. There are at least three ways for the 2s state to lose its immortality: (1) the atom collides with something, (2) it emits an M1 transition, and (3) it decays by the emission of two photons. Two-photon emission has a partial half-life of 1/7 s, and is observed in planetary nebulae:
http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/full/1951ApJ...114..407S . M1 emission has a partial half-life of 2 days: http://www.physics.umd.edu/news/News_Releases/sucher.pdf (Sucher, Rep. Prog. Physics 41 (1978) 1781).

For emission of multiple gammas, there are some nice lecture notes here http://www.tapir.caltech.edu/~chirata/ay102/ by C. Hirata ("Notes on Atomic Structure"). Paraphrasing his treatment, I get something like this. Classically, an oscillating electric dipole d radiates at a rate given by ##P\sim f^4d^2c^{-3}##. If you divide by ##E=hf##, you get an emission rate ##R\sim P/E##, which for atoms is about 10^9 per second. You can think of 2-photon decay as an energy-nonconserving jump to some intermediate state (one that actually exists), followed by a second jump to the final state. The first jump can happen because of the energy-time form of the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which allows you to stay in the intermediate state for a time ##t\sim h/E##, which is on the order of 10^-16 s. The probability for the second photon to be emitted within this time is ##Rt##. The rate of two-photon emission is ##R^2t##, which comes out to be on the order of 10^2 per second. (Hirata has 10^-2 per second, which seems to be an arithmetic mistake, or else I'm having a brain fade.) Applying this to the hydrogen 2s->1s transition, the intermediate state is a 2p [*plus others, see fzero's #7*], and the result is not ridiculously bad compared to experiment, given the extremely rough nature of the estimate.

The probability of emitting n photons would be something like ##R(Rt)^{n-1}##, which falls off very quickly with n.
 
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The semiclassical picture is qualitatively decent enough. As The_Duck said, the QM calculation involves 2nd order perturbation theory. I found a source for the full calculation as the 2nd problem in this http://isites.harvard.edu/fs/docs/icb.topic893193.files/Solutions5.pdf. The 2p state makes the largest contribution to the process, but you have to remember that this is QM and we have to sum over all possible intermediate states. These will satisfy ##|\Delta L|=1## and the contribution from large quantum numbers will be small, but the contribution from say 3p will not be much smaller than that from the 2p intermediate state.
 
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