Empirical success of non-pert methods in QFT?

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The discussion centers on the empirical success of non-perturbative methods in quantum field theory (QFT), particularly in relation to claims made at a conference regarding the lack of empirical support for these methods. Participants explore various examples and contexts where non-perturbative techniques have been applied successfully.

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  • One participant questions the assertion that there is no empirical support for non-perturbative methods in QFT, suggesting that this claim seems inaccurate.
  • Another participant cites low-energy QCD as a context where non-perturbative methods have yielded analytical and numerical results, particularly in mechanisms of confinement and hadron mass generation, with lattice QCD providing significant success in hadron spectroscopy.
  • Instantons are mentioned as a non-perturbative phenomenon analogous to tunneling effects in quantum mechanics, with applications in the study of anomalies and QCD, including the Eta prime particle, which has been addressed using non-perturbative methods.
  • Examples of experimentally verified solitons in condensed matter physics are noted as further evidence of non-perturbative techniques' validity.
  • The relationship between anomalies, instantons, and the Eta-prime mass is highlighted as a case where only non-perturbative methods can provide explanations.
  • One participant asserts that the treatment of symmetry broken states is inherently non-perturbative, while another adds that in some cases, standard perturbation theory is applied around classical ground states.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the initial claim of a lack of empirical support for non-perturbative methods, with multiple examples provided that suggest otherwise. However, there is no consensus on the interpretation or implications of these examples.

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Some participants note that low-energy effective theories may not strictly qualify as non-perturbative methods, raising questions about definitions and the scope of what constitutes non-perturbative approaches.

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Someone said at a conference today that there was no empirical support whatsoever for the idea that non-perturbative methods could be successfully applied in QFT. Does anyone know any counterexamples to this claim? I don't work in this area, but it sure doesn't sound right to me...

Any info gratefully received!
 
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In low-energy QCD both analytical and numerical results are obtained via np-methods for mechanisms of confinement, chiral symmetry breaking and hadron mass generation. The biggest success is the application of lattice QCD to hadron spectroscopy with afaik approx. 5% error for hadron masses.

Strictly speaking low-energy effective theories like chiral perturbation theory, heavy baryons etc. are not np-methods as these models are not derived explicitly via integrating out high-energy d.o.f. but in a wider sense they are something like np-methods as well. In 1+1 dim. theories such methods ca be related to the full theory rigorously.
 
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Yes, that's complete nonsense, depending of course on what he meant exactly.

Instanton's are the analogue of tunneling effects in quantum mechanics, which is of course well tested. They are ubiqitous in the study of anomalies, as well as in QCD and other areas of particle physics. A good example would be the physics of the Eta prime particle, which Witten solved using nonperturbative physics.

There are many examples of experimentally verified solitons in condensed matter physics.

As far as other nonperturbative techniques. Well, in some sense the Dyson gas technique is known to be correct in describing 2 dimensional plasmas.
 
Very good examples, especially the relation anomaly - instanton - eta-prime mass; for the latter only the anomay and therefore only a non-perturbative method can provide an explanation

(many people think that the anomaly is purely perturbative due to the triangle in one loop; this is completely nonsense; it's like saying that every blue paint is heaven b/c the color of heaven is blue)
 
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The whole treatment of symmetry broken states is non-perturbative to start with.
 
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The whole treatment of symmetry broken states is non-perturbative to start with.
yes, but in many cases it's a classical ground state around which one uses standard perturbation theory
 

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