Energy Equvalant of different masses

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The discussion revolves around the energy equivalent of different masses, specifically comparing uranium and butter in terms of their energy content and binding energy. Participants explore concepts of mass-energy equivalence, binding energy, and gravitational potential energy.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether uranium and butter, having the same number of electrons, would contain the same amount of energy if released in a bomb-like manner.
  • Another participant explains that while mass and energy are equivalent, uranium's mass includes binding energy that is released during nuclear reactions, whereas butter's composition (mainly carbon and hydrogen) does not favor such energy release.
  • A participant attempts to relate gravitational potential energy to mass, suggesting that their energy content changes based on their position relative to Earth.
  • Another participant challenges this view, stating that binding energy actually subtracts from total energy, and additional energy must be supplied to increase one's energy state when moving away from Earth.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between mass, energy, and binding energy, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved assumptions regarding the definitions of energy types and the conditions under which energy can be released from different materials.

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I'm trying to learn here. After all, you all know more about this stuff then I do. If you were to take a given mass of uranium and compare it to say, a mass of butter having the same number of electrons, do they both contain the same amount of energy if it could be released like in a bomb? I know it can't be released in the butter.
 
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Mass and energy are equivalent, but are not the same thing. Part of the mass in Uranium is in the binding energy. That energy is being released in the form of photons and a few bits and parts of elements flying off. In butter most of it is carbon (in weight) and hydrogen. Hydrogen can't be split, carbon has about the lowest binding energy so breaking that one up won't give much. Melting together the hydrogen into carbon would release quite a bit of energy, but conditions in a pack of butter do not favor such: hydrogen atoms are far too far away from each other in comparison with the bundle of protons/neutrons in Uranium (just about the distance as close you have to get those H atoms to each other to have a stable nucleuos)
 
Thanks Ger. If I may, I would like to put this in a form that helps me understand just what you are saying. Gravity holds my mass against the earth. There is an energy or potential difference between me on Earth and me out in space. My mass remains the same but when I'm on Earth I contain more energy. This is the energy required to separate me from the Earth as like binding energy. The farther I'm away from the earth, the less energy (binding energy) I contain. Am I out to lunch here?

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My mass remains the same but when I'm on Earth I contain more energy.
Less. The binding energy subtracts from your total energy. To boost you into space I have to add energy, and now you contain more. If you should fall back >splat< that amount of energy is released.
 

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