Energy Fluctuations in Canonical Ensemble

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Homework Help Overview

The discussion revolves around the derivation of the expression -2 in the context of statistical mechanics, specifically within the canonical ensemble framework. The original poster is attempting to differentiate the internal energy U with respect to the variable beta, while also considering temperature and volume.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to apply the quotient and product rules to differentiate U, expressing concerns about combining and canceling terms. Some participants question the necessity of including volume in the differentiation, while others suggest focusing solely on the derivative with respect to beta.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the problem. There is a divergence in opinions regarding the treatment of constants and variables in the differentiation process, indicating a productive exchange of ideas without a clear consensus yet.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the book specifies holding Ei constant during differentiation, while the original poster seeks to explore a more general approach that allows Ei to vary. This raises questions about the assumptions underlying the differentiation process.

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Homework Statement



In deriving <E2>-<E>2

starting from <E>=U=sum(Eiexp(-beta Ei))/sum(exp(-beta Ei). the taking derivative of U with respect to beta, the book always notes E (thus Volume) is held constant. what i am trying to do is taking the derivative of U with respect to beta or T (temp) and V (volume). but i get stuck

Homework Equations



<E>=U= sum(Ei*exp(-beta*Ei)/sum(exp(-beta*Ei)
dU=dU/dT+dU/dV

The Attempt at a Solution



I applied the above equation dU to U as listed above. i performed the quotient and product rule obtaining terms partial derivative with respect to V and T. I tried to look for a way to combine terms and cancel terms. but I cannot. anyone help thank you.
 
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Why are you taking the derivative of U with respect to V? It only asked you to take the derivative with respect to beta.
 
in the notes in the book its hold Ei constant, i want to perform the derivative more generally allowing Ei to vary
 
But I am pretty sure, they take a partial derivative with respect to beta. So you don't worry about N or V.
 

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