Energy fluctuations in canonical ensemble

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The discussion revolves around energy fluctuations in a canonical ensemble, specifically considering a system of particles that can occupy two energy states with a defined energy gap. The original poster questions the possibility of finding a particle in an excited state when the thermal energy is less than the energy gap, and explores the implications of energy fluctuations in this context.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of the partition function and the resulting probability of finding a particle in the excited state. Questions arise regarding the role of energy fluctuations and their significance in the thermodynamic limit, as well as the relationship between energy fluctuations and the Boltzmann distribution.

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The conversation is ongoing, with participants exploring different aspects of energy fluctuations and their implications for single particles versus the collective behavior of many particles. There is a recognition of the complexity involved in relating fluctuations to different degrees of freedom, but no consensus has been reached.

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Participants are considering the implications of thermal energy relative to energy gaps and the nature of fluctuations in a canonical ensemble, particularly in the context of a large number of particles where fluctuations might be expected to diminish.

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Consider an ensamble of particles that can be only in two states with the difference ##\delta## in energy, and take the ground state energy to be zero. Is it possible to find the particle in the excited state if ##k_BT=\delta/2##, i.e. if the thermal energy is lower than the gap between the energy levels? If so, explain why.

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We calculate the partition function which becomes ##Z = 1+e^{-\delta/k_BT} = 1+e^{-2}## and so the probability for finding a particle in the excited state is ##P(excited) = \frac{e^{-\delta/k_BT}}{Z} = \frac{e^{-2}}{1+e^{-2}} \approx 0.12##. So we can therefore expect to find particles in the excited state.

Since the thermal energy ##k_BT## is too small to put particles in the excited state there must be something else going on. The solution to the problem says that it is due to energy fluctuations for a system in thermal contact with a reservoir of constant temperature. Now, it is possible to show that the fluctuations in the energy in the canonical ensamble is $$\frac{\Delta E}{E} \propto \frac{1}{\sqrt{N}},$$ where ##E## is the energy, ##\Delta E## is the standard deviation in ##E## and ##N## is the number of particles. But in the thermodynamic limit, i.e. when the number of particles is so big that the fluctuations are in principle zero, how can this be the reason?
 
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lampCable said:
Now, it is possible to show that the fluctuations in the energy in the canonical ensamble is $$\frac{\Delta E}{E} \propto \frac{1}{\sqrt{N}},$$ where ##E## is the energy, ##\Delta E## is the standard deviation in ##E## and ##N## is the number of particles. But in the thermodynamic limit, i.e. when the number of particles is so big that the fluctuations are in principle zero, how can this be the reason?
That is the fluctuation in the total energy of the system of N particles. The fluctuation in the energy of a single particle in that system doesn't depend on the number of particles and is exactly what is given by the Boltzmann distribution.
 
Okay, I think I understand. So when we talk about fluctuations in energy of a single particle in the system, we essentially talk about fluctuations in speed of that particle?
 
lampCable said:
Okay, I think I understand. So when we talk about fluctuations in energy of a single particle in the system, we essentially talk about fluctuations in speed of that particle?
Only for a free particle without any internal structure. Otherwise, energy is distributed among all degrees of freedom.
 
I see. But the Boltzmann distribution is only related to the translational degrees of freedom, so if we talk about fluctuations in say rotational energy then how is that described?
 
lampCable said:
I see. But the Boltzmann distribution is only related to the translational degrees of freedom, so if we talk about fluctuations in say rotational energy then how is that described?
I'm not talking about the Maxwell-Boltzmann distribution of speed, but the Boltzmann factor used to calculate the probability in the canonical ensemble.
 

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