Energy & Information: Biological Systems Link

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The discussion explores the relationship between energy and information in biological systems, focusing on concepts such as entropy, energy states, and the mechanisms by which living organisms utilize energy to create order and store information. The scope includes theoretical and conceptual aspects of thermodynamics as they apply to biology.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that entropy is a key factor, noting that low energy states and lower variety of information correspond to high entropy, which is a measure of disorder.
  • Another participant proposes that the information within a biological system enables it to collect and store more energy than it consumes.
  • A question is raised about how biological systems can 'use up' information, indicating a need for clarification on the concept of information in this context.
  • It is argued that living organisms create order, which contains more information than disorder, representing a local decrease in entropy. This process requires the input of free energy, which is characterized by having less entropy than the surrounding environment.
  • One participant elaborates that for surface life on Earth, the primary entropy gradient is derived from the difference between sunlight (lower entropy) and Earth's infrared radiation (higher entropy), with photosynthesis playing a crucial role in this process.
  • For undersea life, it is noted that the temperature gradient between magma at vents and the cold ocean water provides the necessary energy gradient.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express various viewpoints regarding the relationship between energy and information, with some proposing specific mechanisms and others questioning the implications of these ideas. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views present.

Contextual Notes

The discussion touches on complex concepts such as entropy and free energy, which may depend on specific definitions and assumptions that are not fully articulated. Additionally, the implications of how information is 'used up' in biological systems remain unclear.

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What is the link between energy and information in biological systems?
 
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Entropy. Low energy states and lower variety of information both imply high entropy, a measure of disorder in the system.
 
I'd say that the information contained in a biological system allows it to collect and store more energy than it uses.
 
how can biological systems 'use up' information?
 
Living things build order. Order has more information than disorder and represents a local relative decrease in entropy. In order to do this, according to modern theormodynamics, organisms have to input not just any energy, but FREE energy. This is energy that contains less entropy than the average energy in the environment, and that implies that there has to be some kind of entropy gradient in the environment that the life forms can exploit. For surface life on Earth the primary gradient is supplied by the entropy difference between sunshine (lower entropy) and Earth's reradiation in the infrared (higher entropy). Photosynthesis exploits this, and the rest of surface life exploits the photosynthesis, directly or indirectly.

For the other terrestial life regime, undersea vents, the gradient is supplied by the temperature gradient between the magma of the vents and the cold ocean water nearby.
 

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