Energy Needed to Move a Satellite to Earth's Orbit

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The discussion revolves around calculating the energy required to move a satellite of mass 500 kg to an orbit at a height equal to Earth's radius. The problem involves gravitational potential energy equations and the application of constants related to gravitational forces.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • The original poster attempts to calculate the energy difference between the gravitational potential at Earth's surface and at the desired orbital height. Some participants question the use of units and suggest considering the gravitational constant versus gravitational acceleration for simplification.

Discussion Status

Participants are exploring various approaches to the problem, including unit conversions and the implications of using different gravitational constants. There is acknowledgment of potential computational mistakes, and some participants express confusion regarding the calculations and assumptions made.

Contextual Notes

There is mention of the need to convert distances from kilometers to meters, and the original poster indicates they are being graded on using a specific formula for gravitational potential energy. The discussion reflects uncertainty about the appropriateness of approximations and the accuracy of calculations.

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Homework Statement


Determine how much energy is needed to move a satellite of mass 500kg to an orbit of height equal to Earth's radius.

Homework Equations



Gravitational Potential:

V = \frac{-GMm}{R}

Where M is the mass of Earth (6*10^24kg), m is the mass of the satellite (500kg) and R is the distance from the center of earth.

The Attempt at a Solution



The energy I need is equal to the difference between orbital and surface potential.

Surface Potential:

V = \frac{-6.67*10^-11*6*10<sup>24</sup>*500}{6300}

I obtain a value of about -3.17*10^12.

Orbital Potential:

[V = \frac{-6.67*10^(-11)*6*10^(24)*500}{2*6300}

I obtain a value of about -1.59*10^12.

I now subtract the two values: (-3.17*10^12)-(-1.59*10^12) to obtain -1.58*10^11 J or
-158,000MJ... The problem is that my textbook gives as an answer -16,000MJ. Disregarding the difference between 1.58 and 1.6, which is surely due to my approximations, why am I getting a result ten times bigger?
 
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hi max0005! :smile:

(try using the X2 icon just above the Reply box :wink:)

you need to get it up there and to give it a shove so that it stays in orbit! :wink:

(and wouldn't it be easier to use g = 9.8 instead of G ?)
 
Hi,

in this case G is the universal constant -6.67*10^-11.

In this part of the problem I'm considering only the energy needed to bring it up there, the second part asks me to calculate the total energy (included kinetic energy to have it orbit), but I'm not there yet. :)

PS: Sorry about that, I'll go and fix the powers!
 
Your radius should be in m, not km.
 
max0005 said:
in this case G is the universal constant -6.67*10^-11.

still easier to use g :smile:

then you don't need to look up the mass of the Earth or its radius …

nor risk mistakes in multiplying them! :wink:
 
Kikora said:
Your radius should be in m, not km.

Even though all my other lengths are expressed in km?

Ignore this, my bad! :S

tiny-tim said:
still easier to use g :smile:

then you don't need to look up the mass of the Earth or its radius …

Ok, I got lost here... :(
 
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max0005 said:
Ok, I got lost here... :(
I think he is asking you to use the easier(approximation) form of gravitational potential energy equation. (the one that involves g)
 
Like mgh? I can't use it, apart from the variation in g as r tends to infinity, I'm being graded on it for using the "extended" formula... Kikora I've tried converting 6300km to 6.3*10^6m but I get as a final result -1.6*10^9... Is it a computation mistake (As I hope it is, after 3 hours of this) or is there some other kind of problem in my reasoning?
 
I think you made a computation mistake. Because, i got the answer just fine after substituting all the values. -1.6X10^10 J
 
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Ok, I get the same result as well, thanks! :D :D
 

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