Energy Self-Shielding: Explaining the Concept

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the concept of energy self-shielding, particularly in the context of neutron absorption and resonance peaks. Participants explore how self-shielding affects the absorption rates of neutrons in materials and the implications of this phenomenon in nuclear physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant seeks clarification on how energy self-shielding combats resonance absorption, indicating a lack of understanding of the concept.
  • Another participant explains that neutron absorption rate is proportional to flux, and at resonance peaks, the flux is reduced due to high absorption cross sections, suggesting that this reduction leads to self-shielding.
  • A participant challenges the explanation, arguing that stating "there are less absorptions because the absorptions reduce the flux" is tautological and does not adequately describe the concept of shielding.
  • Further elaboration is provided using an analogy of soldiers in a minefield, suggesting that the reduction in absorptions does not equate to actual shielding.
  • Another participant describes how absorption occurs more at the surface of a fuel pellet than at its interior, indicating that shielding effects increase with enrichment.
  • One participant expresses acceptance of the explanation but notes that it feels like resonance absorbers have already taken neutrons, limiting further absorption.
  • A later reply emphasizes that neutrons cannot exist in the energy range of resonance absorbers, suggesting a circularity in the definition of flux and absorption.
  • Participants further refine the minefield analogy to illustrate the concept of shielding, with variations on how soldiers' awareness of mines affects their movement through the field.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the nature of self-shielding and its implications. While some accept the concept as described, others challenge the clarity and validity of the explanations provided, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing interpretations.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of the concept, with discussions involving analogies that may not fully capture the technical details of energy self-shielding. There are indications of circular reasoning in definitions related to flux and absorption, which remain unaddressed.

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Can someone explain the concept to me? As far as I know, in some energy interval there are materials which have resonance absorption. The book then goes on to say that energy self shielding does something to combat this absorption but I am not clear on how and hope someone can clear this up for me.
 
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Neutron absorption rate is proportional to flux. At resonance peaks, there is a reduction in flux due to the large absorption cross section. Therefore, there are less total absorptions over that energy range as flux is depressed. Thus, the resonance peak shields itself.
 
This is what I thought, but this is basically like saying "There are less absorptions because the absorptions reduce the flux"... well ok, but this is a tautology I don't see any "shielding" per say

edit: to understand where I'm coming from- it's like saying: a bunch of army men walk onto a mine field and some get blown up by mines. Now there are less army men to step on mines, so they've been "shielded".
 
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middlephysics said:
This is what I thought, but this is basically like saying "There are less absorptions because the absorptions reduce the flux"... well ok, but this is a tautology I don't see any "shielding" per say

edit: to understand where I'm coming from- it's like saying: a bunch of army men walk onto a mine field and some get blown up by mines. Now there are less army men to step on mines, so they've been "shielded".
It's more along the lines that there are less mines on which personnel would step.

The removal of neutrons of a given energy range (window) by absorption means the flux at that energy level (over that range) is reduced so that the rate of aborption decreases as compared to flux measured at the higher level.

The shielding can be seen if one looks radially into a cylindrical fuel pin or plate or sphere. There is more absorption (an Pu/TU production) at the surface than interior of the fuel. Pu and TU build up on the periphery of a fuel pellet or plate or sphere more so than in the interior. There is more 'shielding' as enrichment increases.
 
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It's more along the lines that there are less mines on which personnel would step.

The removal of neutrons of a given energy range (window) by absorption means the flux at that energy level (over that range) is reduced so that the rate of aborption decreases as compared to flux measured at the higher level.

Thanks for the response. I've heard it enough, I understand it, I feel OK about it, so I'll accept it.

Just seems like the resonance absorpers have stolen a bunch of neutrons at a specific range and now they can't really steal anymore, but if "shielding" is the way to see it.. ok
 
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middlephysics said:
Thanks for the response. I've heard it enough, I understand it, I feel OK about it, so I'll accept it.

Just seems like the resonance absorpers have stolen a bunch of neutrons at a specific range and now they can't really steal anymore, but if "shielding" is the way to see it.. ok

Don't think of the flux as time-varying. The neutrons can't be at those energy range, because if they were, they would have been absorbed! It sounds like circular definition because it is - that is the nature of differential equations.
 
And to address your minefield example, it would be more like the soldiers know there's a minefield there so they don't walk over it to begin with. Therefore the minefield is shielded from the soldiers.
 
Or alternatively, in the case of spatial self-shielding, imagine a minefield with mines that set off only if the soldier weighs more than 200 lbs. The soldiers march through the minefield trying to get to the object at the center. All of the heavy soldiers get blown up, so only the thin soldiers make it to the center. The center is shielded from heavy soldiers and so no mines get set off there.
 

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