Energy States: Solid, Liquid, Gas & More?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the nature of energy and whether it can be categorized into different states similar to the states of matter (solid, liquid, gas, plasma). Participants explore the conceptual framework of energy as a property of systems and its various forms, including potential and kinetic energy.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that energy should not be considered an object or a substance with different phases, but rather a property of systems.
  • Others argue that energy can be categorized into forms such as potential and kinetic energy, which can be applied to do work.
  • Potential energy is described as the energy related to the configuration of a system, with examples including gravitational, elastic, and chemical potential energy.
  • Kinetic energy is discussed as the energy of motion, with examples such as a rock in flight or the flow of a river.
  • Thermal energy is characterized as aggregate kinetic energy, which can also be harnessed to perform work.
  • There is a suggestion that while energy is widely applied in various forms, it may not be appropriate to think of it as having different phases like matter does.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that energy is a property of systems and can be categorized into forms, but there is contention regarding whether it can be analogously considered to have different states like matter. The discussion remains unresolved on this point.

Contextual Notes

Some participants emphasize the importance of correcting misconceptions about energy, indicating a potential misunderstanding of its nature. There are also references to the flow of energy in the context of heat, which may require further clarification.

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Does energy have different states analogous to the solid, liquid, gas, and plasma states of matter?
Would they be the same as "forms of energy" described here?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forms_of_energy
 
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Energy is not an object. It is a property of systems.

"Does red taste like banana?"
=> both "is red" and "tastes like banana" are properties of objects, it doesn't make sense to ask a question like this.
 
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mfb said:
Energy is not an object. It is a property of systems.

"Does red taste like banana?"
=> both "is red" and "tastes like banana" are properties of objects, it doesn't make sense to ask a question like this.
It makes sense to help correct a nonsensical preconceived notion.
 
stoomart said:
It makes sense to help correct a nonsensical preconceived notion.

As mfb said energy is a property of a system and we talk about energy in many forms. Energy is any property of a system that could be applied to do work. Energy can either be potential or kinetic.

Potential energy is energy of the configuration of the system. Some element of the system is poised to be moved by some force. A rock on the edge of a ledge has gravitational potential energy. It could fall off the ledge and do work under the force of gravity. A cocked nerf gun has elastic potential energy. The spring has been compressed and it can release that elastic energy and do work (in this case accelerating a dart). An unlit match has chemical potential energy. The ingredients are poised to react and release energy by changing their chemical bonding. Etc etc. Any force you can think of, there is a corresponding potential to do work.

Then there is kinetic energy, the energy of an object in motion. A rock flying through the air could be caught and swing a pendulum or compress a spring to do some work. The flow of a river could turn a water wheel.

Thermal energy is really just aggregate kinetic energy. The movement of all the molecules can be harnessed to do some work like pushing the piston in a steam engine.

So Energy is a widely applied concept with many forms. Your linked article lists many of the forms. It probably isn't right to think of energy as a substance that has different phases. Energy is a property of a system. However we do often talk of converting one form to another or in the case of heat we talk of energy.
 
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Cutter Ketch said:
Energy can either be potential or kinetic.
You nailed what I was looking for, thanks!
 
stoomart said:
It makes sense to help correct a nonsensical preconceived notion.
And indeed he did!
 
I was tired when I wrote that and apparently nodded off before I wrote the last word

in the case of heat we talk of energy flowing.
 

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