Engineering that is the closest to mathematics and physics?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around identifying which type of engineering disciplines require a rigorous understanding of physics and mathematics, particularly focusing on modern physics and quantum mechanics compared to classical physics. Participants explore various engineering fields and their mathematical and physical demands.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that Electrical Engineering (EE) involves significant mathematical concepts, particularly in areas like communication theory, optical communications, and solid-state devices.
  • Others argue that while EE applies modern and quantum physics, no engineering discipline requires rigorous proofs akin to those in mathematical analysis classes.
  • A participant mentions that nuclear engineering may be the closest field requiring modern physics, though it typically covers nuclear physics rather than quantum mechanics.
  • One participant highlights the distinction between physics courses in math and physics departments, emphasizing the focus on proofs in the former.
  • Concerns are raised about the implications of color blindness for pursuing optical engineering, with some suggesting it may not significantly impact coursework or career prospects.
  • Another participant recommends degrees in engineering science, engineering physics, or engineering mathematics as alternatives that may align with interests in rigorous physics and mathematics.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the necessity of rigorous proofs in engineering, with some asserting that no engineering discipline requires them, while others suggest that certain fields, particularly EE and nuclear engineering, may involve substantial mathematical and physical concepts. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the extent to which modern physics is integrated into various engineering disciplines.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding the assumptions about the requirements of different engineering fields, and the discussion does not resolve the varying perspectives on the role of rigorous proofs in engineering education.

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Which type of engineering requires rigourous proof or subtle and conceptual level of physics and mathematics?
For instance, engineering that requires more knowledge in quantum mechanics or modern physics than classic physics?
 
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l-1j-cho said:
Which type of engineering requires rigourous proof or subtle and conceptual level of physics and mathematics?
For instance, engineering that requires more knowledge in quantum mechanics or modern physics than classic physics?

I can't speak to other disciplines, but for Electrical Engineering, communication theory, optical communications, and solid-state devices are extremely mathematically-based. If you're primary interested in applications of quantum mechanics, look into solid-state.
 
l-1j-cho said:
Which type of engineering requires rigourous proof or subtle and conceptual level of physics and mathematics?
For instance, engineering that requires more knowledge in quantum mechanics or modern physics than classic physics?

A big part of electrical engineering is applied modern/quantum physics: superconductivity, semiconductors, optics, solid-state devices, etc. No engineering requires rigourous proofs like in a mathematical analysis class but you'd most likely use parts of applied real and complex analysis doing things like communications and control theory. In my ee undergrad we don't do many but we use parts of it that you'd need a good understanding of calculus and ode's to know where things come from that are taken for granted. Depending on the engineering I think you'll be disappointed if what you want is rigorous physics and math though.
 
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l-1j-cho said:
Which type of engineering requires rigourous proof or subtle and conceptual level of physics and mathematics?
For instance, engineering that requires more knowledge in quantum mechanics or modern physics than classic physics?


Umm I doubt any engineering will require proofs, that's just not the point of engineering. The closest area of engineering that would directly require modern physics/quantum would be nuclear engineering. Although, not much quantum is covered usually, there's nuclear physics that will be covered. Other then that I may have to agree with the others and say EE. there's a EE research group at my university called "Quantum Engineering" and they were with nanostructures and use quantum mechanics...I don't know about field theory though.
 
Do an applied math degree. I've heard the difference between a physics course from the math department and a physics course from the physics department is the following:

in the math department, they'll show you the proof of the equation and they'll emphasize that more than in the application. While it's the opposite in the physics department. (i've been told by somebody on this forum)
 
Uhm, how about optical engineering? It sounds the most interesting to me than all other branches engineering. However, I am red-green colourblind (deuteranopia). I can't clearly distinguish between green and red. Would it matter if I go for opitcal engineering or electrical engineering?
 
l-1j-cho said:
Uhm, how about optical engineering? It sounds the most interesting to me than all other branches engineering. However, I am red-green colourblind (deuteranopia). I can't clearly distinguish between green and red. Would it matter if I go for opitcal engineering or electrical engineering?

I can't comment on how vision problems would effect your career. But I would imagine red-green colour blindness would likely be an almost insignificant issue when it comes to doing well with coursework. You might have an optics lab course. In the US, the school is required to provide accommodations (if they are needed) for this type of thing.
 
Get a degree in engineering science/engineering physics/engineering mathematics. They are the same, but they may have different names across programs. However, if you truly don't want to major in physics, but a related field get a degree in applied math.
 

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