Entangled photon polarization correlation

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the correlation of polarization states in entangled photons as they pass through polarization filters. Participants explore the mathematical relationships governing these correlations, particularly in relation to Malus's law, and the implications of measurement on entanglement.

Discussion Character

  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions whether the correlation between two entangled photons passing through a polarization filter at an angle a is given by cos(a) or cos^2(a), suggesting that for sequential tests with the same photon, the correlation is cos^2(a).
  • Another participant provides a formula for the probability that both photons pass through analyzers set at angles α and β: P_{AB}(α,β) = (1/2)cos^2(α-β), referencing Gregor Weih's dissertation for derivation.
  • A participant confirms that the probability of a photon passing through a second polarization filter at angle α after passing through a first filter at 0 degrees is cos^2(α), citing Malus's law.
  • Some participants express confusion regarding the nature of entanglement and measurement, questioning how measurement affects the polarization states of entangled photons and whether correlations persist even when photons are no longer entangled.
  • There is a discussion about the nature of entanglement collapse, with one participant suggesting that it is unclear when or how entanglement ends, and proposing that not all entanglement may cease upon measurement.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the application of Malus's law and the mathematical expressions related to polarization correlations. However, there is significant uncertainty and debate regarding the implications of measurement on entanglement and the nature of polarization states post-measurement.

Contextual Notes

Participants express varying levels of understanding regarding the mechanics of entanglement and measurement, indicating potential limitations in their assumptions about the nature of polarization and entanglement.

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Hello everyone,

I've got a quick question... Given two entangled photons, going through a polarization filter with relative angle a, what is the correlation between the two "answers" (whether the photon is blocked or let through)?
I believe it's either cos(a) or cos^2(a), but I'm not sure which of the two.

If we do the test in sequence, with the same photon, then the correlation is cos^2(a), is that correct?

Thanks in advance
 
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If analyzer A is set at an angle \alpha and analyzer B at an angle \beta then the probability that both photons (of the entangled pair) pass the analyzer is:

P_{AB}(\alpha,\beta) = \frac{1}{2}\text{cos}^2(\alpha-\beta)

A derivation is given in Gregor Weih's dissertation, see page 26, Eq (1.40) and (1.41). The setup is on page 25.

I'm not sure though what you mean with the second question.
 
Edgardo said:
If analyzer A is set at an angle \alpha and analyzer B at an angle \beta then the probability that both photons (of the entangled pair) pass the analyzer is:

P_{AB}(\alpha,\beta) = \frac{1}{2}\text{cos}^2(\alpha-\beta)

A derivation is given in Gregor Weih's dissertation, see page 26, Eq (1.40) and (1.41). The setup is on page 25.

I'm not sure though what you mean with the second question.

Thank you for your answer!

My second question was more a confirmation, as I'm quite sure about it. Let's say we have a photon that went through polarization filter at 0 degrees, and we have a second polarization filter at \alpha degrees, the chance it goes through the second polarization filter is:
\text{cos}^2 \alpha

Right?

(I like those tex tags!)
 
gespex said:
Thank you for your answer!

My second question was more a confirmation, as I'm quite sure about it. Let's say we have a photon that went through polarization filter at 0 degrees, and we have a second polarization filter at \alpha degrees, the chance it goes through the second polarization filter is:
\text{cos}^2 \alpha

Right?

(I like those tex tags!)

Yes, correct. This is Malus's law.
 
Thanks for your help!
 
I am confused by this whole entanglement thing - on one breathe when measurement occurs, both photons assume a definite polarisation and from this point on are no longer entangled. Yet, if we measure one photon before sending the other through a polariser orientated at a certain angle (rather than vertical or horizontal), we find the results are still correlated. Or is it that, if the photon going through the 2nd polariser had a definite polarisation, even if it were not entangled the pass/fail rate is still the same as if it were entangled?
 
StevieTNZ said:
I am confused by this whole entanglement thing - on one breathe when measurement occurs, both photons assume a definite polarisation and from this point on are no longer entangled. Yet, if we measure one photon before sending the other through a polariser orientated at a certain angle (rather than vertical or horizontal), we find the results are still correlated. Or is it that, if the photon going through the 2nd polariser had a definite polarisation, even if it were not entangled the pass/fail rate is still the same as if it were entangled?

We don't know the moment or mechanism by which entanglement ends. We can make these statements:

a) It is "as if" both take on a definite polarization when one takes on a definite polarization. There is no sense in which the ordering of that collapse matters.

b) When collapse occurs, it is not necessary that *all* entanglement ends. Just on the related bases for the measurement. For example, they could remain frequency/momentum entangled even though they are no longer polarization entangled.
 

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