Enthelpy of Reaction under Constant Volume?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of enthalpy and internal energy, particularly under constant volume and constant pressure conditions. The original poster explores the relationship between these thermodynamic properties and questions whether enthalpy can be equated to heat under isochoric conditions.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the relationship between enthalpy and internal energy, questioning the implications of constant volume on these properties. Some participants provide alternative formulations and seek to confirm the correctness of the original poster's understanding.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different interpretations of the relationships between enthalpy, internal energy, and work. There is an exchange of ideas, but no explicit consensus has been reached regarding the original poster's question.

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Participants are navigating the definitions and equations related to enthalpy and internal energy, particularly in the context of constant volume and pressure. There is an acknowledgment of potential confusion regarding the terms and their applications in thermodynamics.

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Homework Statement


So we know Enthalpy under constant Pressure and Internal Energy under Constant Volume. By

H = U + dPdV

U= I + W

W= -PdV

under Isobaric conditions


H = I -PdV + dPdV
= U

Enthalpy = Internal Energy
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Under Isochoric Conditions
W= O because change in V =o

so U = q + 0
Internal Energy = q

But wouldn't Enthalpy also = q under constant volume since dPdV = 0 as well if volume isn't changing?

Homework Equations


H = U + dPdV

U= I + W

W= -PdV

The Attempt at a Solution


( Outlined above)

Am i confusing the dPdV specific to enthalpy and PdV in work?
 
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Looks confusing. what's the question?

H = U + PV so dH = dU + pdV + Vdp
dH = dU + Vdp under isochoric
but dU = dQ - pdV = dQ under isochoric
so dH = dQ + Vdp under isochoric.

Is that something like what you're looking for?
 
rude man said:
Looks confusing. what's the question?

H = U + PV so dH = dU + pdV + Vdp
dH = dU + Vdp under isochoric
but dU = dQ - pdV = dQ under isochoric
so dH = dQ + Vdp under isochoric.

Is that something like what you're looking for?
Yeah. I see. So Enthalpy = Internal Energy + Change in Pressure times volume.
While change in internal energy (dU) = q + Change in Volume times pressure.

is this correct?
 
Hereformore said:
Yeah. I see. So Enthalpy = Internal Energy + Change in Pressure times volume.
While change in internal energy (dU) = q + Change in Volume times pressure.

is this correct?

enthalpy = internal energy plus pressure times volume ... basic statement, always true
change in internal energy = heat added minus pressure times change in volume. "Change" should read "differential change". To get change you integrate differential changes.
 

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