Enzyme Thermodynamic/Kinetics Question

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The discussion revolves around the thermodynamics and kinetics of enzyme-substrate interactions, particularly focusing on why products are released from enzymes despite favorable binding conditions. Participants explore the relationship between thermodynamic spontaneity and kinetic rates, as well as the structural changes of enzymes and substrates during these interactions.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions why a product, which binds strongly to an enzyme, is eventually released, suggesting that the binding affinity indicates a thermodynamically favorable interaction.
  • Another participant inquires about the binding affinity of the product compared to the substrate and whether structural changes occur in the substrate or enzyme upon binding.
  • A claim is made that the substrate has a higher binding affinity than the product.
  • A participant asks for clarification on which specific enzyme system is being discussed.
  • One participant clarifies that they are not referring to a specific enzyme but rather engaging in a thought experiment about the interplay between kinetics and thermodynamics.
  • A later reply discusses the rates of formation and dissociation of enzyme-substrate complexes and introduces the Michaelis-Menten equation, noting that various states are metastable and not global minima in energy.
  • The role of Gibbs free energy is mentioned, with an example of G-protein dissociation and the necessity of ATP to drive certain reactions, indicating a complex relationship between thermodynamics and cellular processes.

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Participants express differing views on the binding affinities of substrates and products, the structural changes of enzymes, and the overall relationship between thermodynamics and kinetics. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing perspectives presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations regarding assumptions about binding affinities, structural changes, and the specific enzyme systems being referenced. The discussion also highlights the complexity of kinetic rates and thermodynamic stability without resolving these aspects.

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If it is thermodynamically spontaneous for substrate and product to bind to the enzyme, why does the enzyme ever release the product? For example the K association of a product to the enzyme might be 5,000 1/M, and so is obviously favored. Why does the product eventually leave the enzyme's active site?
 
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Does the product bind with the same affinity as the starting material? Has the structure of the substrate undergone a change? Does the enzyme change it's structure (shape) when bound to the product vs. the substrate?
 
The substrate has higher binding.
 
Which enzyme system are you referring to?
 
I'm not referring to a specific one. It is more of a thought experiment. I guess what I need help with is balancing kinetics with thermodynamics, and how all of it inter-relates.
 
There's a lot of material out there you can read; I am looking at "Biological Thermodynamics", Donald Haynie, ch.8 (reaction kinetics).

Basically we can allow there to be a rate k_on for the complex E*S and a rate k_off for the decomposition to E S. They do not have to be the same. Also, there is a rate k_2 for the formation of product P from E*S. Combining them, we get to the Michaelis-Menten equation for enzyme kinetics.

Thermodynamically, the various states E S, E*S, and P are all metastable states. None of them are global minima in the energy landscape, and so there is both a probability associated with the existence of a particular state and a rate constant connecting the various local minima.

In terms of the Gibbs free energy, it is true that some of the processes occur spontaneously- the dissociation of a G-protein, for example, in response to a binding event. The cell then must use GTP (in this case, more often it's ATP) to drive the reaction the other way. Kinases and phosphatases often use ATP for similar reactions. Na-K-ATPase uses ATP to move ions against the electrochemical potential.
 

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